JeanGuy

It is really crazy that a decision has not been announced. It isn't like there is a big period of discovery where each party has to turn over evidence. USA Wrestling should have already ruled and the competitors should know if it stands or if they have to re-wrestle the second match and possibly a third.

But if you go to the Nittany Lion Wrestling Club website and read how they describe their athletes , there is not a singe mention of Penn State. Even with current students. The NLWC Resident Athlete Program had some outstanding performances during the past season (2017-18). In September, Matt Brownwon a bronze medal at the World Military Championships. Josh Rodriguez and Riley Lefever both earned bronze medals at the U.S. U23 World Team Trials in October. During the month of November, Matt Brown won silver and Riley Lefever bronze at the Dave Schultz International Tournament. In December, Franklin Gomez and David Taylor joined the Titan Mercury Wrestling Club team and led them to a second place finish at the World Clubs Cup Championship in Iran. David Taylor become only the 12th U.S. wrestler in history to win a gold medal at the Yarygin Grand Prix Tournament in Russia in January. During the Month of February, Matt Brown won the U.S. Armed Forces Championship, and Franklin Gomez placed second, Riley Lefever placed third, and Josh Rodriguez placed fifth at the Outstanding Ukrainian Memorial Tournament in Kiev, Ukraine. Nico Megaludis also competed in Ukraine, and Ben Provisor finished in 8th at the Thor Masters Tournament in Denmark. In April, Franklin Gomez earned a bronze at the Bill Farrell International Tournament in New York whileDavid Taylor went undefeated in leading the U.S. team to a World Cup Championship. At the U.S. Open National Championships also in April, Ben Provisor and David Taylor both won gold medals while Jake Varner (competing for the first time after a long layoff) earned silver and Nico Megaludis bronze. A week later at the Pan American Championships in Lima, Peru, David Taylor won gold, Ben Provisorbronze in Greco and gold in Freestyle, and Mark Hall (not a NLWC Resident Athlete but representing the NLWC) also won a gold medal. At the World Team Trials Challenge Tournament in Rochester, MN, in May, Nico Megludis earned a silver and Jake Varner a bronze. Also in May, Collegians Brady Berge won gold, Nick Lee silver, and Jarod Verkleeren bronze while competing under the NLWC banner at the U.S. Junior World Team Trials. In May, Josh Rodriguez lost a close match to the U23 World Champion in the Beat the Streets dual in New York City. In June at the Final X, David Taylor won two consecutive matches in Penn State’s Rec Hall to claim a U.S. World Team spot while Ben Provisor and collegian Mason Manville earned runner-up finishes in the U.S. Greco World Team Trials. In July, Franklin Gomez won gold, Ben Provisor silver, and Josh Rodriguez bronze at the Canada Cup, in Guelph, Ontario. In the late summer, David Taylor pinned four straight opponents to capture gold at the Yassar Dogu International in Turkey. And in early fall of 2018, David Taylorbecame the NLWC’s first World Champion! To win the World Championships, David defeated a returning Olympic Gold medalist from Iran in his first match and in the tournament finals, he defeated an opponent from Turkey by a technical fall. David’s World Championship performance combined with his performance throughout the 2018 season led to his being named the UWW Best Freestyle Wrestler of the year for 2018! We all know who is from Penn State and who isn't but the club doesn't differentiate.

I think it is really funny how this group still looks at these guys as representing a particular university/college. How is David Taylor considered to be representing PSU? Is James Green still primarily a Nebraska guy? Dake hasn't wrestled for Cornell since March of 2013. These guys are all USA wrestlers and should be supported as such. Way too much bickering about where they went/go to school.

What I find most interesting about this thread is that armchair referees disagrees with the actual match officials. Don't you think there is a chance that the referees might be interpreting the RULES correctly?

This ruling is similar to some of my issues in sport in general. The rules are too complicated. It is similar to the catch rule, tuck rule, etc. in football. In efforts to bring clarity to those officiating the rules have become so complicated that what everyone watches and agree should be ruled one way is often contrary to the letter of the rule. If you want to fix wrestling you make them wrestle until pinfall. No scoring. It might take forever and it would be considered dangerous because of the potential time on the mat but it is really the only way to solve these kinds of issues.

You could move Ruth to 174 instead of Hall and place Wright on the first team at 184.

Those all sound like good changes to me. The MFF's need to be addressed but counting as losses might not be the correct way. I don't have a better suggestion so I am on board. The 2 hour weigh in needs to be for all matches including the finals at NCAA. Guys shouldn't be able to weigh in at 11:00am and wrestle at 8:00pm. I don't think there are huge weight changes through the day but I am sure there are some and even if it is only 5 lbs it can be significant.

When I watch FS I wonder how it translates. FS turns to me can be a momentum type of thing. In Folk when you turn someone it "feels" like there is more control and imposition of will. I know that can be argued that is just as difficult as a tilt that cannot lead to a pin. It is just when I see a guy take someone down and then spin them around the circumference of the mat for a tech it seems weird and less dominant to me. The good news is all wrestling fans are the winners in that 285 is no longer an escape and ride out every match.

I'm not a big FS follower, but how much sway does a college coach have over whether a guy wrestlers FS? It would seem if Spencer Lee said I am going, he would be going. Same with Mark Hall or anyone else.

I don't know if Schnupp is too small. I just don't think he is a starting wrestler at a high D1 school. Not everyone can do it.

One thing, it is very hard to go undefeated. It is like room familiarity. Sometimes it is all about styles. Seabass probably dropped the ball at nationals taking Mueller a little too lightly maybe. Mueller broke him. If he gets by Mueller he might beat Lee again, hard to say. Lee also adapted vs. Picc. He didn't make the same mistake, but that is what good wrestlers do.

I really hate the grayshirt term. It doesn't mean anything. If an athlete chooses not to enroll he takes the risk that whatever deal was on the table might not be there and vice versa if an athlete changes their mind they can just go somewhere else. The term really doesn't make sense for wrestling as a two semester sport. The practice started to let football oversign and bring a kid into school in the second semester and release the 5th year guys.

I grew up in PA and was around wrestling but never liked it. After graduating from Penn State I continued to live in State College. My interest really began with the Taylor and Ruth teams. I have always really like excellence in sports and what they were doing seemed to be a cut above what else was happening or that I was aware of. I became a fan through watching those teams and with the expansion of the B10 Network. I am admittedly not well versed in the nuances of the sport but I have enjoyed the aggressiveness and scoring that many guys bring to the table.

Pure statistics not opinion or rating. Percentage of starters that made AA. So yes the EIWA would indicate they placed 6th.