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  1. I have several reasons for believing Singletary will be very good at 197: 1. Unlike most 220 that made the drop, Singletary was not overly dependent on superior athleticism but instead technique and match management. In other words he was seriously outgunned and found a way to get it done anyway. As hard as it is to be successful at this level it says a lot about the guy's grit and toughness. 2. Many who make the switch were unsuccessful at the higher weight. While Singletary was not in the super elite he was an AA candidate and had some very good wins at heavyweight including Parris and Stencel. 3. Ohio State and the OTC have great competition and coaching in the upper weights. The challenge from Gavin Hoffman and getting to bang with Orndorff and Traub daily will help. Having Cox, Moore and Martin at the OTC is fantastic even with the defection of Snyder. Tervel's coaching prowess is well documented. 4. Singletary's success in limited time down at 97 KG including a win over Honis who was an AA at 197. I think Ultimately it will come down to if he can handle the cut, I believe he will be fine but if he isn't Hoffman presents a nice alternative. Maybe they both end up being successful at 197 and the Bucks end up with good depth and competition at this weight. I know that probably isn't likely but both guys were blue chippers wrestling out of weight class so it's reasonable to believe that whoever emerges should be very competitive.
  2. Taylor has one world title and it is at 86 kg which is an Olympic weight.
  3. I already acknowledged in a prior post that Taylor had a superior freestyle career and was responding to the statement that Logan Stieber "wasn't very successful at the senior level".
  4. I had already said that I believed Taylor had the superior freestyle career so I wasn't piggybacking on you. You said a guy who won a world title wasn't successful when this is the epitome of success in the sport. That is not a semantic argument it is a false statement presumably meant to diminish the accomplishments of Stieber.
  5. He won a world title so I think that qualifies as very successful. A agree that Taylor is definitely more dynamic in his attacks.
  6. Logan was in 9th grade and Taylor 10th. This was Logan Stieber's only high school lost. Taylor dropped dropped a match to Ben Sergent from Troy Christian early freshman year and also lost to Jamie Clark from St. Ed (a couple times I thought but I may be wrong). I've watched both these guys since they were in middle school. By any objective metric Logan had the better college career. He had two more titles and had wins over much tougher competition (Oliver, Ramos, Retherford, Carter). Both were extremely dominant even against AA caliber competition. I agree Taylor has the edge in freestyle at this point due to consistency and winning at an Olympic weight.
  7. You absolutely said " Every single Heavyweight who has ever cut to 197 has flopped so it’s guaranteed. " This suggests that they were initially heavyweights and "cut" to 197. If what you meant was that guys who wrestle 220 in high school and try to cut to 197 usually don't work out or sometimes 197's move up and have more success at heavyweight then we totally agree which is why I listed numerous examples of this happening. Unfortunately, two of the biggest 220 to 197 busts in recent memory, Andrew Campolatanno and Cody Gardner were Buckeyes so I know this too well. Despite this I think Singletary will AA next year at 197.
  8. I was at the wrestle off, it was a joke and Rocky should have been hit for stalling at 2-3 more times. Going into this match I favored Rocky but Romero outwrestled him and everyone in the gym knew it. Romero outperformed Rocky in the early season winning a tournament where Rocky didn't place (I think he went 1-2). Romero etched numerous good early season victories while Rocky struggled despite being given every opportunity to win the spot at 174 by the staff. As I said, Rocky's performance when he moved up was better but not as consistent as Romero and without as many good wins. Romero was sucked down too much at 165 and that was a big part of the problem (Buckeye staff has admitted this). I also think he made a big jump technically (particularly his hand fighting, finishing, and bottom got a lot better). Romero was a 3 sport athlete in HS and although he was already very good coming out, I think he has a steep learning curve. I am a Buckeye fan and like Rocky Jordan. I would be fine with either guy provided they get the job done, I just believe it will be Romero.
  9. I agree that Karchla will be at 174 and this likely pushes Romero up to 184. Where we disagree is I think Romero will beat Rocky for the spot at 184. Romero had much better wins and was a solid candidate to AA. Rocky definitely improved after he moved up but was still very inconsistent looked like maybe a round of 16/bloodround kind of guy. Rocky's signature win against Venz was avenged by Venz with a whooping making it seem less legit. Romero had numerous top ten wins and hang tough with the top guys. As far as questions about size, Romero is a big athletic dude who is apparently huge right now, so I don't know that it will be an issue.
  10. I think 165,174, 184 will be between Smith, Karchla, Romero, and Rocky and 197 will be between Singletary and Hoffman. Heavyweight will likely be Orndorff then Traub so pretty good depth from 165 up. Of those four I think Karchla is the best and Romero the next best. I always thought Karchla would be a career 165 because of his height but I'm hearing he is big and will be 174. I had Romero top four at 174 but recent social media hugeness suggests he could go up and challenge Rocky at 184. I would favor Romero in the match up with Jordan but am unsure how he matches up with top guys at 184. It would probably be best for the lineup if Sasso was at 157 and some combination of Echemendia/Kinner were 141/149. With Malik it's not an either or situation. He is a little small, needs to finish his low level attacks quicker, and gets rode like a Harley but he's lightening quick and shows flashes of brilliance on his feet. I assume they're working to improve on deficits. Jordan Decatur is outstanding on his feet and struggled on the mat and with conditioning as many thought he would making the adjustment to college. I've heard the talk of 141 but with Echemendia, Kinner, D'Emilio I think JD's chance to be a starter of tOSU is a 133.
  11. The Taylor thing had the feel of a classic pro wrestling heal turn. Loved my many Taylor turns on another "good guy" to the horror of many of this adoring fans. Post match reaction and the subsequent social media nonsense certainly negatively impacted my view of David Taylor.
  12. Both statements you made are inaccurate. Koontz wrestled at Cliff Keen and beat 2 seeded guys to make the semis. Jarret Trombley of NC State ended up 20-9 and an NCAA qualifyer last year. Josh Kramer of Arizona State was ranked in the top 15 at one point last year and had a decent seed at Vegas. His performance fell off a bit at the end of the year (he lost to Decatur by a similar score that he lost to Koontz) but still a legit starter. Regarding 285's cutting to 197 the only person I remember doing this is Kevin Snyder, and he performed slightly better at 197, but it was understood that he was depth at either weight. The Bucks have done the opposite and attempted to grow 197's into mobile Heavyweights on numerous occasion. Bergman, Corey Morrison, and Pete Capone were all examples of this with Bergman being the most successful obviously.
  13. I believe he is vegetarian. I remember hearing he experimented with veganism towards the end of his competitive career. I don't know that this was responsible for his fall off in production.
  14. I guess I can kind of understand why keyboard warriors bash guys who have a brash or unlikable social media persona or whatever (ie. PD3). Now we're bashing guys for lifting weights and being religious? NATO is a super humble, intelligent, and classy NCAA champ. Any program would be lucky to have him on staff.
  15. I think it's proof of Penn State bias and based on how dominant Zain was his last 3 years in college. Does it seem a bit coincidental that all of those world champs/medalist were not at their best when he beat them (I might buy this argument for 1 or 2 but 5 times is certainly a lot of times to get lucky). Stieber has been ultra elite on every level he has competed. Ohio 4xer, age group world medalist, multiple time Fargo Champ, 4th at the US Open as a hs junior, 4x NCAA champ, World Champ. If you question the legitimacy of Stieber's World Title than you have to question Dake and Cox's as well because they are at non-Olympic weights and they arguably could not make the US squad at their Olympic weights. Many guys have trouble with injuries, weight, burnout, and other things at the end of long competitive career. I would argue that Stieber was about as consistent as you can get on every level until those last 2 years. I would like to address the JO thing separate. JO is a great wrestler and a 2x champ. A junior JO (coming off an undefeated NCAA championship as a sophmore) lost to a redshirt freshman Stieber based on the rules of that time. Whatever you think of the ending, if you re watch the match Stieber was the aggressor and controlled the pace throughout, this after being handled by Oliver in their meeting earlier in the year. That in itself says a lot about Logan Stieber's greatness. JO is kind of a foil for Logan Stieber as he gets tons credit for his potential in freestyle/international but has never really had the results on the international scene that a lot of people (particularly on this board) think he should. This is not meant to disparage JO, he is a great wrestler, but when you look at the perception of each guy vs. the actual results it doesn't line up.
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