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FlyinLion

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  1. The Cowboy Challenge Tournament, the topic of the thread. They start talking about it around 26:20.
  2. They said Mauller and Jacques were both going. Mizzou sending 18 total with lots of young guys. Surtin and Harmon were both mentioned by named. Sounded like UCO is dealing with a Covid issue and won't send anyone, but that OU will be sending a few.
  3. I think Karimi ends up flying under the radar from running into Sadulaev and Cox, and now being behind Yazdani. He's has been to six straight age or senior level championships coming home with 4 medals. His losses in those tournaments break down as one to Sadulaev, three to Cox, and one thrown match where he was leading. He has solid wins in there as well. Year Event Weight Place Notes 2014 Junior Worlds 84 Gold Teched way through; 10-0, 10-0, 10-0, 12-2 2015 Worlds 86 Bronze lost 6-2 to Sadualaev in semis; 5 wins with 4 techs including in bronze match 2016 Olympics 86 7th lost 5-1 to Cox in quarters; not pulled into repechage 2017 U23 Worlds 86 13th lost 14-3 to Zhabrailov; was winning 3-2 with 1:05 left when threw match to avoid Israeli wrestler next round; Zhabrailov won U23 2018 Worlds 92 Bronze lost 5-2 to Cox in Semis; had 7-0 win over Sharifov; 12-1 win over Tcakulov; then 12-1 win over Marsagashivili for bronze 2019 Worlds 92 Silver lost 4-0 to Cox in finals; teched way to finals including 10-0 win over Zhabrailov
  4. If you're going to go this far, you might be better off contacting the coaches that rank 184 and make sure they are aware of the gaming of the system. Coleman was 25 in the coaches rank released 2/13. If he dropped to 31 he wouldn't be able earn an AQ spot despite now having an RPI because of his winning %. Might not even have to drop that far depending on how the weight shakes out.
  5. Would be a stronger argument if those prior world champions weren't also the reps in 2019, thus would be first in priority to be the PAOQ rep if they hadn't medaled last year. Procedures were only published recently, but are dated November 27, 2019. They would have known in November that criteria #1 wouldn't have any bearing on 74/97 but would on 86. Couldn't find any published criteria for the 2016 PAOQ but it was all 2015 world team members except for Tervel since Rey wrestled at 2015 Worlds. Of course Tervel had won 2015 WTT and got injured before Worlds so not exactly apples to apples. I'll take the best chance at qualifying the weight over being entirely fair.
  6. Haven't seen this posted yet, put USA Wrestling put the MFS selection procedures for the Pan Am OG Qualifier on their website. Seems to give Taylor first priority at 86kg, then Downey, then Cox. Listed in rank order: 1. Previous World Champion from 2017 or 2018 competing at the same Olympic weight class in which they won their World Championship. 2. 2019 World Team Member at the same Olympic weight class in which they competed at during the 2019 World Championships. 3. World medalist from 2017, 2018 or 2019 at any weight class.* 4. 2019 World Team Member from a non-Olympic weight class.* 5. If the team can NOT be filled following ranked items 1-4, selections will be recommended by the Men’s Freestyle National Team coaching staff to the Men’s Freestyle Sport Committee for final approval.* a. The selections will be made based off results during Fall 2019 & Winter 2020 competitions. b. Competitive readiness will also be taken into consideration. *If there are multiple people coming into the Olympic weight that meet the stated criteria; wrestle-offs will be scheduled accordingly prior to the event. Selection Procedures were also posted for MFS for the Pan Am Championships which are basically the same.
  7. It was announced they were seeding the qualifying tournaments in September. I pulled the seeding points earned from the ranking pages here.
  8. Since they are seeding the top 2 at the Pan Am Qualifier here are those that earned seeding points at Worlds without qualifying the weight. Points can also be earned at the 1st ranking event (Matteo Pellicone) and the Pan Am Championships. MFS 57kg - Tigreros Urbano COL - 14 86kg - Downey USA - 14 WFS 53kg - Valverde Melendres ECU - 18; Montero Herrera CUB - 16; Hildebrandt USA - 14 57kg - Rodrigues Penalber de Oliveira BRA - 16 62kg - Miracle USA - 16 GR 87kg - Gregorich Hechavarria CUB - 18 97kg - Rosillo Kindelan CUB - 14
  9. There is a much bigger benefit if you qualify the weight in WFS and greco as whoever qualifies the weight gets a bye to the finals of the OTT. Thus the established and published selection criteria.
  10. That was J'den's first loss at 92 kg. His last loss was to Boke at 2018 Yasar Dogu. Would have to find the interview, but this match was one of the reasons he made the move to the OTC. By his own admission he gassed in part because he was still helping at Mizzou at the time and wasn't able to devote all his time to his training.
  11. For anyone that still cares, they finally put the arbitration award online. You can find it here. Went up less than 24 hours after my prodding email, which has me kicking myself for not emailing sooner.
  12. NJDan once again you are referencing rankings that you don't understand what they are saying or how they work. Your response from the other thread is apt in this situation as well.
  13. Did Flo take down its articles about the refereeing assignments for the 2016 Olympics? Only dead links now (though there is a cached version of one of the articles). They had some good info in them although also some potentially libelous allegations made toward Silvestri. The same guy who apparently just made Yianni's case for him at the arbitration.
  14. I doubt we get transcripts. It's no guarantee that the hearing was even recorded for a transcript to be made. A party likely would have to request it be recorded beforehand. Outside of the final award I'm not sure we'll get to see anything else. Maybe the arbitration demand/answer or briefs, but one reason people choose the arbitration process is precisely because it all is not public. All others arbitration decisions are posted here. Hopefully it will be posted sooner rather than later. May show up elsewhere first.
  15. Iran will score at least 12 combined between 61 kg and 86 kg and more likely 14 or 16. They actually max out at 138, while the USA is only at 125. USA could win at 125 kg and still get passed if things went right for Iran. I wouldn't say Iran is favored to reach the bronze match at 74 kg or 92 kg though. Iran should score points at 74 kg whether they make the bronze match or not. I think I'd rather be in the USA's position, but by no means are they almost locked into second.
  16. We won't score any non medal points from day one. Yahya was the only one to win a match and his 4 CP won't be enough to place in the top 10. Also for team race, Russia should be 7th at 97 kg so that is another 8 points for them.
  17. This indicates they are brothers. I have no idea if that is correct, although the source is very knowledgeable about various Russian wrestlers.
  18. I can't view this on YouTube, but maybe you can. I personally wouldn't call it a "shake," but a slap or touch. It's similar to the Dabir/Brands video you posted both times.
  19. They slapped hands at the beginning of the match and again to start the second period. 0:30 and 3:53 of this video. Poulin then didn't on the restart 20 seconds into the second period after blood time. Much ado about nothing IMO. End of the match had more to do with what Poulin likely felt was an unnecessary action after the match was over. You see the referee, chairman and even Iranian coach are all drifting towards that action to make sure it does turn bad. Not Poulin's best look, but doesn't register for me.
  20. From the USA Wrestling release: "Following the 2019 Pan Am Games selection procedures for wrestling, Eierman has stepped up to accept his participation in the Games."
  21. Flo's score bug is an approximation/mimic of the official score and like most score bugs runs slightly behind. The Flo high def video shows the chairman awarding 2R and 2B at around 2:24 of the video. Piecing together with the YouTube video you linked that happened around 6:28 of that video with approximately 0:37 left in the match. Flo Arena has Zain's 2 coming at 0:35. Likely the delay from the chairman holding up the "bats" (or "paddles" elsewhere in the rules) to it going on the official board. Zain's best case scenario is the 0:33 shown by Flo's bug. If we're going to be technical, might as well try to be as close as possible. As for what time "immediately after" is tied to, here is some relevant language from the rules: Art. 17 - General Duties, section g) - "All the points awarded by the judge must be announced to the public as soon as they are determined, either by means of bats or by an electric scoreboard." Art. 20 - The Judge, section c) - "Following each action, and on the basis of the referee’s indications (which he compares with his own evaluation) or, failing this, on the basis of the mat chairman's indications, he records the number of points awarded to the action in question, and enters the results on a scoreboard placed beside him. This scoreboard must be visible to both the spectators and wrestlers." Whether the Judge actually operated the scoreboard that night, I have no idea. If Zain's argument is based on whether the brick came only 30 seconds after the points were awarded not 35 seconds, he's probably already lost. A coach's most important responsibility during the match is deciding whether or not to challenge. If they don't realize what is on the board or get caught up in the action they are not doing their job. Based on reviewing the recent Article 9 arbitrations, Zain is likely named as an affected athlete, given notice of the hearing and has a right to participate. This procedure seems to have been a result of Sieracki/Linland, though I haven't taken the time to find if/when an actual change was made to the statute/USOC bylaws.
  22. Correct. There are established procedures for this, posted here. Section 4.1.1 "...If a replacement athlete is needed, USA Wrestling will work down the final trials events results in rank order."
  23. You did not even come close to addressing the question posed to you. Here it is again. Please point me to any currently in force rule or procedure, whether linked above or otherwise, that supports the bolded statement. I'm not asking about challenges, I've been consistent from the beginning that it's procedure is key. Where is the refereeing delegate/jury authorized to get involved outside of a challenge?
  24. Here are to 2019 USA WTT procedures which state the UWW rules apply. Here are the UWW rules. Here is the 2019 USAW Rule Book even, which itself says the UWW rules supersede. Please point me to any currently in force rule or procedure, whether linked above or otherwise, that supports the bolded statement.
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