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Remember, many of this matches were tech falls in the first and second period, so I'm certain he would have gotten another turn or two to score the same number of points. It's not as if he was getting the final turn as the buzzer hit zero:-).

Makes me laugh that some still want to point to missing a match the week immediately prior to the US Senior Nationals where he hoped to qualify for the US Olympic Trials and he missed matches the week after he won the US Senior Nationals where he blew through a bracket with 6 former NCAA Champions, a World Jr. Silver medalist and a host of other All-Americans. Also, don't forget that Tom Brands announced that he would miss matches on both weekends prior to the season even starting. I guess those of you that hold that opinion are in the distinct minority, since Intermat stated that his margin of victory in the voting was one of the largest margins ever amongst the voting panel and he also won the popular vote by taking 58% of the total votes among the 8 finalists. His bonus point percentage is only second to Caels 95% and he had a bonus percentage of 94%. Rather than try to tear down a young mans accomplishments, I'll just echo what the obvious vast majority are saying today--well done Spencer Lee.

Mokoma, Lee technical failed Cashman in the first period in the wrestle off this year and he pinned him in the first period in the wrestle off last year. I think Glory beat him 7-2 or so... I don't remember, but it was competitive. I think both matches are on YouTube.

Yes, he took a match off the week before the US Senior Nationals where he won a bracket with six former NCAA Champions, a world junior silver medalist and other former All Americans. He missed a day of wrestling the week immediately after the US Senior Nationals. So, let's see, the week prior and the week after and this plan was announced at the beginning of the season. People want to reach for anything to be critical--what a joke.

The challenge with Griffiths are the number of decisions. Didn't he have 9 decisions? The schedule at Stanford is also not very strong, so much easier to get pins. The issue with the NCAA Tournament being cancelled is that most of this would have been sorted out. I see only 3 or 4 of these guys making through the NCAA Tournament unbeaten. We will never know.

Scores were updated and Lee was first and Hall 2nd. Both had incredible scores. Averaging 5.0 is insane.

The job Cary did at Campbell was exceptional. During his first year at Campbell they were on NCAA probation and couldn't even compete. He literally did take the program from nothing to becoming a good program. If you just compare where Campbell is today to where West Virginia is and West Virginal dominated Campbell in years II and III of Cary taking over .... Just one example of many to point to a job well-done.

All three of these guys had great years: Moore 26-0, 3 pins, 6 techs, 10 majors and 4 decisions. Moores closest matches: SV win 6-4 against Woodley Oklahoma, two matches with Norfleet of ASU 5-3 and 11-9. Wilke from Iowa 8-3 (he bumped up from 184 for the dual) and two matches with Schultz from Wisconsin 4-1 & 6-2. Lee 18-0, 4 pins, 9 techs, 3 majors and 1 decision, Lee also had one forfeit when MN didn't wrestle him. Closest match Medley Michigan 8-1, he later defeated Medley 19-3. Glory - 21-0, 4 pins, 8 techs, 3 majors and 6 decisions. Closest matches, Paetzel Lehigh 5-3, 3-0 win against Manchio Columbia University, DeAugistono NW 4-0.

You continued negative assertions are unfair and without merit. Again, easy for you to call out these 18-23 year young men by name, we can message them on social media, they can read this stuff, we can reach out through their athletic departments, because we know who they are, but yet, you hide behind. antitroll2828 screen name. Your lack of response gave me all I needed to know regarding your willingness to put your name by the posts that accuse guys of ducking. You're the one ducking. Do you know what happened? Do you know why any of the wrestlers that missed this year missed? Are you going to throw Cenzo under the bus as well for missing big matches last year? I won't, because I know if he could go he would have went. No, so you use it to bring some guy down. Lee has wrestled on the biggest stages. Cadet Worlds, Junior Worlds, Super 32, Ironman, PowerAde, NCAA's Big 10.... He lost to NATO at the Big Ten tournament and was on his way to a tech fall when he pinned him later at NCAAs. He got pinned by Piccinni in the last dual of the year and then beat him 11-4 at the NCAA's. Some guys are just big time wrestlers and Lee is one of them. I wouldn't bet against him at the NCAA Tournament because he shows up. He is also someone that never makes excuses and it willing to take accountability for his actions and results. He is willing to put his name on things, but the big brave posters on this board hide behind names such as antitroll2828 .... Sad. As far as post season awards, you can only compete against the guys that are good enough to make it to you in the NCAA Finals, the same can be said for any of the post season awards. If the names are nominated then the competition is on.

Thanks for asking the question. I don't get to vote and I would wager that neither did you, but he was awarded the Hammer Award for winning the 2018 NCAA Tournament. The Hammer award is awarded to the wrestler that was determined to have won the toughest weight class. Good question and I'm glad I could help you learn something new today. I am a Spencer Lee Fan Boy, but I'm also a Fan Boy of Nick Lee, Jason Nolf, Alex Marinelli and many others. I love guys that score points. The reason why I am defending Lee is that there are are few posters on this forum that go out of their way to be negative and I decided to not just sit back and read the BS any longer. I could list the posters that are relentless and negative on this one guy. To bring up tired old BS clearly illustrates your negative bias as well. I have never accused or made a negative comment on another wrestler. All the guys miss matches, get injured, sick, tweek things that none of us aware of and that is just sad that you try to make it a negative. Rivera missed matches this year, DeSanto missed matches this year, Cenzo missed big matches last year...it happens. All I know is that they have a championship at the end of the year to settle things and for the past two seasons Lee has entered the NCAA Tournament and taken on and dominated all that put their toe on the line. Rivera and Glory were both in his bracket but didn't earn the right to face him. Rivera is a great wrestler and Lee is 2-2 against him, but they didn't meet at the NCAA Tournament because he lost 8-2 in the semi round and that is not Spencer Lee's fault. Glory is also a great wrestler and Lee is 2-0 against him. Lee wrestled the guy that made it to the finals and easily won in each of the past two years. Just as I mentioned Nick Lee, Spencer Lee is a scoring machine and I love that about him. He was the most dominant wrestler by far and just as you and I didn't vote for the Hammer award... we also don't write for FLO and they keep detailed records and there is a reason they have Lee ranked #1 in the Hodge rankings. His termination rate of matches is crazy and the highest. His bonus point win total is the highest and his average mat time is also absurd and that's based on technical falls, which is also crazy. He's terminating matches by beating guys by 15 points.... I think I read that he has scored 283 match points and given up 18.... Are you kidding me, so yes, I am guilty of your accusation and I am a fan boy. I am guilty of being a fan of many great wresters. I am not a fan of posters casting negative aspersions behind fake screen names without facts as so many on these message board often do. I think accusing any of these young men of ducking or faking injuries is wrong and I wish we all had to supply our real names because there would be far fewer negative posts. I don't mind opinions, or advocating for one over another etc., but accusing guys of ducking is wrong. You don't know the facts. I would love to know who some of you guys are, because I think it's pretty low class to make negative accusations against these young men without sharing who you are. You're willing to take shots at them publicly, using their name freely, but you hide behind a screen name while you do it. We know who they are, where they live, who they wrestle for--why don't you put your toe on the line as well.

He missed a match the week before the US Senior Nationals that happened to be a long road trip to wrestle in a bracket with 6 former NCAA National Champions in it and then took a couple of matches off the weekend immediately after the US Senior Nationals to qualify for the United States Olympic Trials. Brands had said Lee wasn't wrestling at Midlands, but then it changed, because they realized the RPI required a few matches more than they had planned for...this was stated in an interview. This sounds like good planning to me after a tough weekend of wrestling in a two-day tournament the week prior to Midlands. If he gets hurt the week before US Senior Nationals the prospect of making the US Olympic Trials would have been much more difficult. This is a kid that wrestled in a tournament with better competition than anybody he was to wrestle at this year's NCAA Tournament in the middle of the NCAA season. Don't forget that Lee won the NCAA bracket that was selected as the toughest of the NCAA Tournament in a prior year and Glory was in his NCAA bracket and didn't earn the right to wrestle Lee. Lee is 2-0 against Glory beating him 17-2 and 12-6, I don't see Lee being intimidated. He beat a common opponent this year by a major decision that Glory beat by a decision and if you watch both matches, Lee was far more dominant in his win than Glory was in his win. There was no doubt who was the better wrestler against Oklahoma State, whereas Glory was a scramble away from a very competitive match. Also, Glory needed overtime to beat Lehigh. Lee's closest match was 8-1, which was his only decision win and he later defeated that same opponent 19-3 at the Big 10 Tournament, To say Lee ducked anyone is a joke. He could have ducked the entire NCAA season to focus on freestyle just as Suriano and Fix did, but he chose to make his goal of making the US Olympic Team more difficult by trying to balance the rigors of both tasks, winning the NCAA Tournament and US Senior Nationals and then 2-weeks after the NCAA Tournament the US Olympic Trials and we want to be critical of him for missing three total scheduled matches. Lee was wrestling at a different level this year and I don't see him ducking anybody. Any comments otherwise, in my opinion, is more of a personal agenda of a poster than something that can be considered a rationale comment.

I was pointing to the major this year.... it's on YouTube if you want to watch it.

Did you follow the season? Obviously not, Iowa said from the beginning that Lee was not going to compete in all of the matches and the two matches he missed was immediately prior to US Senior Nationals and the weekend after the senior nationals. Makes sense doesn't it? Glory is a good wrestler and we all wish the NCAA had occurred, but since it didn't we have to look at what the facts are--what really took place. Don't try to say that a guy that won the NCAA's in what was selected as the toughest weight at the NCAA's that year ducked someone--really? Freestyle doesn't count for the Hodge, but it does for the United States Olympic Team. Don't go there. Lee took on tougher competition at the US Senior Nationals than there would have been at the NCAA Tournament or anybody he did wrestle or would have wrestled by far, so he wasn't ducking anyone--he was trying to qualify for the Olympic Trials. I don't think we should hold it against a wrestler that was trying to balance folk style and freestyle so his team could compete for a team title when he could have taken an Olympic Redshirt and just focused on one style. Lee is 2-0 against Glory and neither was close. Glory was having a great season this year, but no one was as dominant as Lee has been with 17 bonus point wins in 18 matches and he only missed bonus by 1 point in the one match he didn't get bonus. Furthermore, the one wrestler he didn't bonus he defeated by a score of 19-3 at the Big 10's. Lee wrestles in a tougher conference etc., he beat a common opponent by bonus that Glory beat by decision and Lee's win was by far more dominant--I watched both matches. This comparison is not even close. Glory barely defeated the Lehigh wrestler.... I think it went to OT.... Really. You can't point to Glory being better this year and closed the gap, because this year Lee looks more solid than in either of the other two seasons, so he was on a roll as well. We are all sad and disappointed that the NCAA Tournament was cancelled, but to try to say that Lee did something wrong this year other than being totally dominant and also unselfish by trying to balance two styles during the same season is a reach, unfair and points to a strong connection or rationale to try to justify something that simply isn't there.

Yes, but in between he took the time to wrestle in the US Senior Nationals that featured 6 former NCAA Champions in it and he won it easily. The toughest opponent you mention is 0-2 against Lee losing 17-2 and 12-6.

Easy to say, but it's my opinion that Lee would have cruised against Rivera in the finals who had just been crushed my Mueller in the Semi's. What was the score of that match between Mueller and Rivera? 8-2 with 6 minutes of riding time for Mueller and then Lee dominated Mueller winning easily 5-0. Lee has proven himself the best at the NCAA Tournament and this time would have been no different. Until guys step up and win at the show they have to say "I would have, could have or should have" and all that language means is they didn't do it when it mattered the most. You can say what you want, but Lee has been untouchable at the NCAA Tournament and he looked better this year than either of the previous two. Big10fanboy is always negative on the Lee kid. I don't know why some are so focused on one wrestler unless there's a history there. As I asked before, did he beat a relative in a 6 and under tournament at some point in your past?