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  1. On 5/4/2020 at 6:39 PM, fanta said:

    When Fix whoops Lee AGAIN. Everyone will talk about Lee being a Natural 110 pounder.

    This may very well occur because anytime someone steps on the mat anything can happen and both are very good and proven competitors that I respect however, I don't see it.  Lee seems to be continually progressing his offense. He once wrestled Suriano a full match without a takedown until he scored one in OT for the win and the last time they wrestled in the NCAA Finals, Lee scored two takedowns in one match.  Fix still hasn't scored a takedown against Suriano in about an hour of wrestling.  Lee looked more dominant this year in every position than any other year and Fix, for reasons alluded to on this forum, gave up his spot on the Pan Team and his shot at the #1 seed in the Olympic Trials.  Again, Fix is a proven competitor, but until he 1) steps back on the mat again  and answers the lingering questions that are out there and 2) show offensive progress, I simply don't see him winning the trials--as good as he has been and make no mistake about it, he's been very good.  Fanta, Fix and Lee will not meet in the first round, so he's got more to worry about than Lee including getting into the competition. Your comment on the weight thing is laughable, since they changed the weigh in protocols, his being a little light is probably an advantage, while others are having to go to extreme measures to make the weight and then to be able to compete at a high level....  

    The UWW really did wrestling a disservice by eliminating weight classes.  Several competitors that should be at 133 and would do well there are forced to make a hard cut and that's too bad.  

  2. Good discussion for a great field at 57kg, but one factor that will "weigh in" this year is the fact that the athletes have to make scratch weight on both days.  That variable will loom large for many of the athletes.  In the past, in some of the Akron tournaments, guys weighed in once for a two day tournament, so the cutting was crazy and by the end of day two guys were jumping 15-18 pounds.   It played a huge factor in matches and the new weigh in procedures take that HUGE advantage away for the guys cutting HARD.  When it was a day before weigh-in or two days before--if you didn't cut hard you were at a significant disadvantage.  

    If you have to make scratch on both days, one guy is not going to put enough on to have any meaningful advantage and the guys cutting too much will be at a large disadvantage.   Another factor is the influence a hard weight cut has on the preparation leading into the tournament.    

    As one example, Nick Suriano is a great wrestler and extremely hard to score on, but he looked so physical different at Senior Nationals at 57KG than he did in the NCAA Finals.  I thought 133 was a great weight for him and I believe 57kg is a little on the smaller side for him, so I think it hurt him on that day.  I believe Colon, Fix, Gilman, Vito and Gross are also cutting hard to make that weight.  I thought weight played a factor in the last Gilman and Fix series. Both are studs and proven competitors, but I thought the cut took a little out of both of them and I thought it showed.  

  3. It's an award for the current year that's given out every year for that purpose.  This year was the 90th year of the award being given.  The selection process has three criteria: Fan Vote, Media Vote, Committee Vote, so it seems to be a good process.  Awesome for wrestling to have one of our athletes win the award!  

  4. 11 hours ago, LJB said:

    oh stop with the internet parlor tricks... 

    it was exactly what happened at the time...

    it is also totally irrelevant to anything now... 

    BTW... as far as that weekend being the biggest weekend of fix's career... anyone that thinks a cadet result ranks higher than junior result is a silly person... anyone thinking a cadet result ranks higher than any senior level result should just cut their own head off...

    What is mentioned most often is my point, which takes me back to my second post and proves my point regarding ....  

  5. On 4/11/2020 at 4:50 PM, LJB said:

    Vito is the only one with legitimate upside... in one match, he could potentially make someone raise an eyebrow...

    I agree with this post, Vito is tough and has a far better style for freestyle than folk style.  

  6. 8 hours ago, LJB said:

    It was brought up as a point and laugh retort to someone who was using a practice room match from 3 years ago as a qualifier...

    I know this stuff is super complicated to follow...

    Intellect and wrestling acumen is not and the lack thereof is clearly apparent in your post....   

  7. On 4/11/2020 at 4:39 PM, LJB said:

    he game planned Lee... those matches went exactly how he wanted them to... all he had to do was make Lee wrestle a full match... he planned to give up the first period and then wear him down... it happened exactly like that in both matches... i know he planned this because i talked with derek before the tourney... 

    guess what?

    it went exactly like they planned...

    to be fair, it is a bit of a hyperbolic statement designed to elicit the response it has...

    I've never seen folks base so much on one weekend that is 5-years old....  It really is funny and actually sad in a way.  It might be the biggest weekend of this kids career...at least that's how so many treat it that are close to him.  It really is treated as the highlight of the kids career.  Suriano took Fix down and Lee crushed Suriano.  Those results were much more recent than five years ago.  Things change and one weekend doesn't determine future outcomes.  The Fix that wrestled last year would not have been favored against Lee.  Actually, I don't think it would be close.  Lee has continued to evolve and it shows and Daton simply doesn't have the offense.  He's a tough, gritty wrestler with sound fundamentals, well coached, but the fact is that Fix didn't take a single shot in the NCAA finals and had the crowd booing against him.  I hope Fix isn't suspended, because I want to see future match ups at 57kg.  It's a great weight class with many quality opponents and great match-ups, but there is something telling about continually pointing to a match that goes back almost a half a decade.  :-). It's almost sad that you're still living that far in the past.      

  8. 1-Gilman, he qualified the weight, so per the criteria he should be #1

    2-Fix, if he's not suspended per the rumors and the reason he didn't go to Pan Ams to qualify the weight.  If so, Lee moves up and Fix is not ranked.

    3-Lee, US Nationals Winner, Lee could be 2 per Fix suspension or Colon could be 2 and Lee 3.  

    4-Colon, Former World Bronze from several years ago









  9. I don't think anyone would want Rivera to go back down more than Spencer Lee.  I wish Rivera had won in the Semis of nationals last year versus getting ridden for 5 minutes in a 7 minute match and losing 8-2 to the guy Lee dominated in the finals.   At the end of the day, we all know what matters and what is remembered are those three days in March.   It's about stepping up on the big stage and getting the job done.   Rivera has been in his bracket at two NCAA Tournaments and never earned the right to wrestle him.  Post pictures and results from in season matches where they are 2-2, but at the show, Lee is 10-0 and Rivera ....  I hope Rivera does compete for a title at 133 in the future and believe he was in the mix for the title this year and was robbed of the opportunity this year and for that I am truly sad that when he was wrestling very well that he didn't have another opportunity.  

  10. 2 hours ago, Marcus Cisero said:

    Misty - that was well written but here's a question I'll present, then answer myself. 

    Question: How many times will Spencer meet Glory next season? Answer: Once - during the NCAA.  I'll predict the same if Vito Arujau doesn't move up (and don't tell me how bad Lee beat him during freestyle - its irrelevant to me).  This season will be Lee's last and you can bet all the farms in Iowa Brands will implement the greatest "duck" option wrestling has ever seen to protect him right up to the big dance in March. I'm not a betting man either but I'm willing to bet my words over yours. 

    The only way Lee doesn't wrestle in any matches next season, at least my prediction is if takes an Olympic Redshirt, takes his normal redshirt that he still hasn't used, or he's hurt, tapering for an event outside of folkstyle or recovering from an event outside of folkstyle, which is either using a year per his right or the coaching being called smart.  I haven't seen the schedules next year to know where the teams are going...  The whole ducking thing is BS made up by guys that hide behind screen names to throw out negative aspersions.  This is a wrestler that has stepped up at all levels, during all age groups and now he's ducking and he's supposedly ducking guys he's already hammered:-). It's called reaching.  He wrestled in the Super 32 high school division as an 8th grader, FLO Nationals High School Division as an 8th grader.  Give it up.    As far as Vito, folk style would be an awful match-up for him against Lee.  Vito has a far better chance in freestyle to score off of rolls and counters, like he did at the US Nationals--before he lost 14-4.  I think Lee would tech Vito in folk style.  It wouldn't be close, but this is just an opinion, but Lee took him down several times in their first match in Texas, which counts in either folk or free and that doesn't bode well for him with Lee given any time on top--remember he scored back points in every match this season.  I think Vito is awesome and has a great career ahead of him, but match-ups do matter in wrestling and Lee is an awful match-up, so the best thing Vito can do is to move up to 133--in my opinion.  He could win it up a weight next year.  

  11. Mokomo - Lee beat Glory in two matches 30-6 and would have technical falled DeAugustino in the first period--I'm not a betting person, but I would go all in on predicting that tech fall--okay if I'm betting I would take the second period or earlier expecting it to happen in the first.  DeAugustino had a good season and is a good wrestler, but he lost to Prata, (Lee pinned Prata in the first and it was quick), Schroeder beat DeAugustino 11-2, Schroeder turned DeAugustino with a tilt....(Lee beat Schroader 34-2 this year in two matches), as an example.  You're trying really hard to down grade the kids accomplishments.  It's really comical, but also noteworthy how hard you're trying.  Iowa doesn't wrestle Division III schools to open the season anymore either that assuredly padded the stats in the past for some of their guys. This can go back and forth...season to season, competitor by competitor, why can't you just say, congratulations?  Are you related to someone that he beat on in the past?  The voters had him something like 53 of 56 votes for the best or the second best margin of victory ever.  The fans had him ahead by 8,000 votes--I guess you simply feel that your right and the majority of everyone else is wrong.  Could be the case or maybe you have an ax to grind.  I think it's probably the latter:-). Take an Advil or two or three, relax, history has been made and he was selected and no one is taking it back--try to let it go, all of this stress is bad for your health:-). 

  12. 16 minutes ago, BigTimeFan said:

    A lot of his matches ended by tech fall. With a 3 point near fall then a match that went 17-0

    First period: 2 take down, 4 near fall, 4 more near fall  (10)
    Second period: Escape, takedown, 4 near fall (7)

    Would have gone 17-0

    First period: 2 take down, 3 near fall, 3 more near fall  (8)
    Second period: Escape, takedown, 3 near fall, 3 near fall (9)

    Even if he only scored 3 vs 4 in all near falls and got no extra nearfalls and if 200 of his 234 points were from nearfalls then he would have outscored his opponents 184-18.

    Remember, many of this matches were tech falls in the first and second period, so I'm certain he would have gotten another turn or two to score the same number of points.  It's not as if he was getting the final turn as the buzzer hit zero:-). 

  13. Makes me laugh that some still want to point to missing a match the week immediately prior to the US Senior Nationals where he hoped to qualify for the US Olympic Trials and he missed matches the week after he won the US Senior Nationals where he blew through a bracket with 6 former NCAA Champions, a World Jr. Silver medalist and a host of other All-Americans.  Also, don't forget that Tom Brands announced that he would miss matches on both weekends prior to the season even starting.   I guess those of you that hold that opinion are in the distinct minority, since Intermat stated that his margin of victory in the voting was one of the largest margins ever amongst the voting panel and he also won the popular vote by taking 58% of the total votes among the 8 finalists.   His bonus point percentage is only second to Caels 95% and he had a bonus percentage of 94%.   Rather than try to tear down a young mans accomplishments, I'll just echo what the obvious vast majority are saying today--well done Spencer Lee.  

  14. Yes, he took a match off the week before the US Senior Nationals where he won a bracket with six former NCAA Champions, a world junior silver medalist and other former All Americans.  He missed a day of wrestling the week immediately after the US Senior Nationals.  So, let's see, the week prior and the week after and this plan was announced at the beginning of the season.  People want to reach for anything to be critical--what a joke.  

  15. The challenge with Griffiths are the number of decisions.  Didn't he have 9 decisions?  The schedule at Stanford is also not very strong, so much easier to get pins.  The issue with the NCAA Tournament being cancelled is that most of this would have been sorted out.  I see only 3 or 4 of these guys making through the NCAA Tournament unbeaten.  We will never know.  

  16. The job Cary did at Campbell was exceptional.  During his first year at Campbell they were on NCAA probation and couldn't even compete.  He literally did take the program from nothing to becoming a good program.  If you just compare where Campbell is today to where West Virginia is and West Virginal dominated Campbell in years II and III of Cary taking over ....  Just one example of many to point to a job well-done.  

  17. All three of these guys had great years:

    Moore 26-0, 3 pins, 6 techs, 10 majors and 4 decisions.  Moores closest matches: SV win 6-4 against Woodley Oklahoma, two matches with Norfleet of ASU 5-3 and 11-9.  Wilke from Iowa 8-3 (he bumped up from 184 for the dual) and two matches with Schultz from Wisconsin 4-1 & 6-2.  

    Lee 18-0, 4 pins, 9 techs, 3 majors and 1 decision, Lee also had one forfeit when MN didn't wrestle him.  Closest match Medley Michigan 8-1, he later defeated Medley 19-3.

    Glory - 21-0, 4 pins, 8 techs, 3 majors and 6 decisions.  Closest matches, Paetzel Lehigh 5-3, 3-0 win against Manchio Columbia University, DeAugistono NW 4-0.  

  18. You continued negative assertions are unfair and without merit.  Again, easy for you to call out these 18-23 year young men by name, we can message them on social media, they can read this stuff, we can reach out through their athletic departments, because we know who they are, but yet, you hide behind. antitroll2828 screen name.  Your lack of response gave me all I needed to know regarding your willingness to put your name by the posts that accuse guys of ducking.  You're the one ducking.  Do you know what happened?  Do you know why any of the wrestlers that missed this year missed?  Are you going to throw Cenzo under the bus as well for missing big matches last year?  I won't, because I know if he could go he would have went.  No, so you use it to bring some guy down.    Lee has wrestled on the biggest stages.  Cadet Worlds, Junior Worlds, Super 32, Ironman, PowerAde, NCAA's Big 10....  He lost to NATO at the Big Ten tournament and was on his way to a tech fall when he pinned him later at NCAAs.  He got pinned by Piccinni in the last dual of the year and then beat him 11-4 at the NCAA's.  Some guys are just big time wrestlers and Lee is one of them. I wouldn't bet against him at the NCAA Tournament because he shows up.   He is also someone that never makes excuses and it willing to take accountability for his actions and results.  He is willing to put his name on things, but the big brave posters on this board hide behind names such as antitroll2828 ....  Sad.  As far as post season awards, you can only compete against the guys that are good enough to make it to you in the NCAA Finals, the same can be said for any of the post season awards.  If the names are nominated then the competition is on.   

  19. 2 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    When did Spencer lee ever win the toughest weight in ncaas? Sitting out the 2nd day of midlands had nothing to do with trying to qualify for the Olympics, you must forget when Spencer lee randomly sat out the northwestern dual last year, or was he just trying to make an Olympic team then too? So Seth gross can come back from spinal fusion and wrestle a double schedule, including the same midlands tournament as Lee but Spencer needed to sit out because? And comparing a match between glory and Patezell , when they grew up by each other and have been wrestling each other since middle school so that’s a BS comparison..

    I'm the first to praise Lee for some of the awesome stuff he’s accomplished on the mat, but that being said it doesn’t make anything I said not true but because your a Spencer lee fan boy you seem pretty upset, and my whole point was without the ncaa tournament that Kolon Moore is more deserving of the hodge then Lee is 

    Thanks for asking the question.  I don't get to vote and I would wager that neither did you, but he was awarded the Hammer Award for winning the 2018 NCAA Tournament.  The Hammer award is awarded to the wrestler that was determined to have won the toughest weight class.  Good question and I'm glad I could help you learn something new today.  I am a Spencer Lee Fan Boy, but I'm also a Fan Boy of Nick Lee, Jason Nolf, Alex Marinelli  and many others.   I love guys that score points.  The reason why I am defending Lee is that there are are few posters on this forum that go out of their way to be negative and I decided to not just sit back and read the BS any longer.  I could list the posters that are relentless and negative on this one guy.  To bring up tired old BS clearly illustrates your negative bias as well.  I have never accused or made a negative comment on another wrestler.  All the guys miss matches, get injured, sick, tweek things that none of us aware of and that is just sad that you try to make it a negative.  Rivera missed matches this year, DeSanto missed matches this year, Cenzo missed big matches last year...it happens.  All I know is that they have a championship at the end of the year to settle things and for the past two seasons Lee has entered the NCAA Tournament and taken on and dominated all that put their toe on the line.  Rivera and Glory were both in his bracket but didn't earn the right to face him.  Rivera is a great wrestler and Lee is 2-2 against him, but they didn't meet at the NCAA Tournament because he lost 8-2 in the semi round and that is not Spencer Lee's fault.  Glory is also a great wrestler and Lee is 2-0 against him.  Lee wrestled the guy that made it to the finals and easily won in each of the past two years.  Just as I mentioned Nick Lee, Spencer Lee is a scoring machine and I love that about him.  He was the most dominant wrestler by far and just as you and I didn't vote for the Hammer award... we also don't write for FLO and they keep detailed records and there is a reason they have Lee ranked #1 in the Hodge rankings.  His termination rate of matches is crazy and the highest.  His bonus point win total is the highest and his average mat time is also absurd and that's based on technical falls, which is also crazy.  He's terminating matches by beating guys by 15 points....  I think I read that he has scored 283 match points and given up 18....  Are you kidding me, so yes, I am guilty of your accusation and I am a fan boy.  I am guilty of being a fan of many great wresters.  I am not a fan of posters casting negative aspersions behind fake screen names without facts as so many on these message board  often do.  I think accusing any of these young men of ducking or faking injuries is wrong and I wish we all had to supply our real names because there would be far fewer negative posts.  I don't mind opinions, or advocating for one over another etc., but accusing guys of ducking is wrong.  You don't know the facts.    I would love to know who some of you guys are, because I think it's pretty low class to make negative accusations against these young men without sharing who you are.  You're willing to take shots at them publicly, using their name freely, but you hide behind a screen name while you do it.  We know who they are, where they live, who they wrestle for--why don't you put your toe on the line as well.  

  20. He missed a match the week before the US Senior Nationals that happened to be a long road trip to wrestle in a bracket with 6 former NCAA National Champions in it and then took a couple of matches off the weekend immediately after the US Senior Nationals to qualify for the United States Olympic Trials.  Brands had said Lee wasn't wrestling at Midlands, but then it changed, because they realized the RPI required a few matches more than they had planned for...this was stated in an interview.  This sounds like good planning to me after a tough weekend of wrestling in a two-day tournament the week prior to Midlands.  If he gets hurt the week before US Senior Nationals the prospect of making the US Olympic Trials would have been much more difficult.  This is a kid that wrestled in a tournament with better competition than anybody he was to wrestle at this year's NCAA Tournament in the middle of the NCAA season.  Don't forget that Lee won the NCAA bracket that was selected as the toughest of the NCAA Tournament in a prior year and Glory was in his NCAA bracket and didn't earn the right to wrestle Lee.  Lee is 2-0 against Glory beating him 17-2 and 12-6, I don't see Lee being intimidated.  He beat a common opponent this year by a major decision that Glory beat by a decision and if you watch both matches, Lee was far more dominant in his win than Glory was in his win.  There was no doubt who was the better wrestler against Oklahoma State, whereas Glory was a scramble away from a very competitive match.  Also, Glory needed overtime to beat Lehigh.  Lee's closest match was 8-1, which was his only decision win and he later defeated that same opponent 19-3 at the Big 10 Tournament,  To say Lee ducked anyone is a joke.  He could have ducked the entire NCAA season to focus on freestyle just as Suriano and Fix did, but he chose to make his goal of making the US Olympic Team more difficult by trying to balance the rigors of both tasks, winning the NCAA Tournament and US Senior Nationals and then 2-weeks after the NCAA Tournament the US Olympic Trials and we want to be critical of him for missing three total scheduled matches.  Lee was wrestling at a different level this year and I don't see him ducking anybody.  Any comments otherwise, in my opinion, is more of a personal agenda of a poster than something that can be considered a rationale comment.  

  21. On 3/7/2020 at 4:10 PM, BigTenFanboy said:

    He scored a maj0r against Picc last year but that was off a desperation move by picc at the end. That said.. Rivera would have beat Lee at NCAAs had they wrestled just like Nato would have beat Megaludis had they wrestled at NCAAs the year Mega won.

    I was pointing to the major this year.... it's on YouTube if you want to watch it.  

  22. Did you follow the season?  Obviously not, Iowa said from the beginning that Lee was not going to compete in all of the matches and the two matches he missed was immediately prior to US Senior Nationals and the weekend after the senior nationals.  Makes sense doesn't it?   Glory is a good wrestler and we all wish the NCAA had occurred, but since it didn't we have to look at what the facts are--what really took place.  Don't try to say that a guy that won the NCAA's in what was selected as the toughest weight at the NCAA's that year ducked someone--really?  Freestyle doesn't count for the Hodge, but it does for the United States Olympic Team.  Don't go there.  Lee took on tougher competition at the US Senior Nationals than there would have been at the NCAA Tournament or anybody he did wrestle or would have wrestled by far, so he wasn't ducking anyone--he was trying to qualify for the Olympic Trials.  I don't think we should hold it against a wrestler that was trying to balance folk style and freestyle so his team could compete for a team title when he could have taken an Olympic Redshirt and just focused on one style.  Lee is 2-0 against Glory and neither was close.  Glory was having a great season this year, but no one was as dominant as Lee has been with 17 bonus point wins in 18 matches and he only missed bonus by 1 point in the one match he didn't get bonus.  Furthermore, the one wrestler he didn't bonus he defeated by a score of 19-3 at the Big 10's.  Lee wrestles in a tougher conference etc., he beat a common opponent by bonus that Glory beat by decision and Lee's win was by far more dominant--I watched both matches.    This comparison is not even close.  Glory barely defeated the Lehigh wrestler....  I think it went to OT....  Really.  You can't point to Glory being better this year and closed the gap, because this year Lee looks more solid than in either of the other two seasons, so he was on a roll as well.    We are all sad and disappointed that the NCAA Tournament was cancelled, but to try to say that Lee did something wrong this year other than being totally dominant and also unselfish by trying to balance two styles during the same season is a reach, unfair and points to a strong connection or rationale to try to justify something that simply isn't there.   

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