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  1. qc8223

    Official Striking Wrestler at Fargo

    So disrespectful of Hepner to forcibly attack that poor referee's hand with his chest. smh kids these days have no respect for authority.
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    Zain's left knee?

    I don't necessarily disagree with that conclusion. My whole thing is just about frustration. I think Cornell is holding onto something that almost certainly isn't going to happen. Do you think Yianni shows at Dogu if Zain beats him 2-0 without controversy? I certainly don't. There seems to be a somewhat universally recognized code, for lack of a better word, in the US wrestling community not to send reserves to the tuneup tournament because it never happens other than this time that I'm aware of. Yianni was there because he still thinks he can and should be the guy. Obviously, he should be allowed to compete wherever he wants, but at some point in the process I'd hope that programs would take the best interest of Team USA into consideration. I guess that's wishful thinking. Regardless, it was a great weekend for Yianni, who I definitely wish was going to Worlds instead of Zain.
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    Zain's left knee?

    The problem with your argument is that you're acting like Dogu is the only international tournament Yianni can wrestle at. There are several other high level tournaments in the next month that he could wrestle at and get the same level or better competition that he got this weekend. I would love to see him at any of the other tournaments for the long term purposes. People would be throwing a fit if Eierman or Demas showed up at Dogu and injured Zain in the first round. That is the functional equivalent. Our senior rep went to a tuneup tournament and was injured, not by an opponent from another country, but by his own teammate. That's a huge unforced error on the part of Team USA. There's no contradiction in my thinking on this in terms of short term v. long term. In an ideal world, I want US wrestlers at every international tournament. But the tune up for worlds should be about maximizing the benefits of the senior reps. Having other Americans in the bracket potentially limits the amount of exposure the rep gets by reducing the amount of foreigners he wrestle (or in the worst case scenario, injures the rep). There are plenty of other good tournaments we can send our back ups to for long term development. It doesn't have to be all or nothing as you suggest.
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    Zain's left knee?

    Still haven't added anything. All you've said is that Yianni had the right to go and he did. Both objective facts. Then you said injuries suck but they happen. Again, obvious. The debate is not whether Yianni could go, but whether he should for the sake of Team USA. I agree that him getting international experience is good for him and the USA in the long run, but he could do that at any of the several other high level tournaments in the next month overseas. The top guy that was supposed to be at Dogu was Bajrang, who he has already wrestled and trained with in New York City. He didn't need to get another feel for Bajrang. If you want him to get a crack at top guys, you should be disappointed he didn't go to Poland to take on Chakaev and Rashidov, two top 5 guys that he hasn't already wrestled. Yianni didn't see anybody on any level this weekend that he couldn't have seen at any of the upcoming tournaments where he wouldn't have been a potential liability to Zain, our actual rep as of now, getting the matches he needs. It's not a question of whether Yianni can or can't wrestle there. That's obvious. It's about whether his wrestling was good for the team for the upcoming world championships, and given the results, I don't know how you can argue that it wasn't pretty bad for the team. Zain saw no international competition and was injured in the process as a direct consequence of Yianni being there. I would be thrilled if USA guys wrestled internationally more, but I think the tuneup tournament for the world championships should be reserved for the reps to avoid the possibility that played out at Dogu.
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    Zain's left knee?

    When I say team, I mean the senior reps for the world championships. Yes, he is technically on the national team, but he's not going to be the guy at worlds unless he gets a miracle at this point. Everyone here knew what I meant. Don't be obtuse.
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    Zain's left knee?

    You've added nothing to the conversation. Nobody has said Yianni doesn't have the right to go. It's a question of whether him being there was good for the USA which ended up being an objective no. Zain got 0 tuneup matches and is now injured. Catastrophic result at 65 kg for this trip because the purpose of the trip is to help the guys who will be wrestling at worlds. Now, if Yianni ends up being the guy, then this was good experience for him, but as of now, the only thing that really matters is that Zain didn't get matches and is injured.
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    Zain's left knee?

    No Yianni is not on the team. You're ignoring that Dogu is the tournament chosen by the national team to use as a tuneup for worlds. They do this every year. Why would you want another US guy in the bracket that could potentially limit the international feels that the guy who is actually wrestling at worlds gets. Yianni was there because he still believes he has a shot to be the guy. You're about 3 years too late on the whole "we aren't good at freestyle because..." thing btw. Newsflash buddy: We're really good at freestyle now. We are the top challenger to the Russians for freestyle supremacy now. But yes, we should compete overseas as much as possible. But not at the freakin tuneup tournament for our senior reps. The whole point of showing up to Dogu is to try to give our guys as many matches as possible. Instead, Zain got 1 match, not because he was beaten by a European, but because his back up showed up and knocked him out of the tournament. Complete waste at 65 for this year. There are plenty of other tournaments to compete at overseas during this time of year btw. Yianni, or anyone else, could have shown up in Spain with Dake and Josh Rodriguez if they wanted matches. He could also show up to any of the 5-6 big tournaments happening in the next month (Tblisi, Medved, Poland, German Grand Prix, etc...). And yes, captain obvious, injuries happen. But they're especially frustrating when they happen against your own countryman at the tuneup tournament for the world championships where you're supposed to be getting a feel for international guys and instead you get 1 match against a guy you've seen 3 times in the last couple of months and you're injured now.
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    Zain's left knee?

    Yes they are one of the two teams I root for. Apparently, not being blindly loyal means I'm a hater.
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    Zain's left knee?

    https://twitter.com/CPyles8/status/1149654579610447872 Yes, I understand how arbitration works and that this match SHOULDN'T matter for it, but that doesn't mean Cornell isn't going to bring it up. Cornell is going to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Beating Zain definitely doesn't hurt their case, but it might, however small a chance, help their case, so they're going to go with it. TBar thinks I'm a Penn State hater. You think I'm a Cornell hater. Can't win. For the record, Cornell has been my second favorite team since high school and I had a great experience meeting Koll at a camp. Seemed like a really cool guy. I just don't think their actions this summer have been good for the team. I understand Cornell is going to act in their best interest, but that doesn't mean I can't be frustrated when their best interest is in contradiction to what I believe is the best interest for team usa.
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    Zain's left knee?

    Nowhere did I say any of that. Never even mentioned Dake or Taylor. There are other international tournaments, arguably tougher ones, for Yianni to wrestle in as the reserve. The purpose of this tournament is to help the guys on the team. For the record, I've been incredibly critical of Dake and Taylor this year. Dake should have to wrestle no later than mid-July in my opinion. Taylor should have announced he wasn't going as soon as possible to allow better competition to move to 86 kg. You're going to have to actually address my argument to win here. That was one of the weakest straw men attempts I've seen. And since you seemed to miss the whole point, it's not about whether Yianni "can" compete at Dogu. Obviously, he can do what he wants. It's whether he "should." And given the results of him doing so, I don't know how you can say that helped team usa, unless he ends up being the guy because he injured Zain.
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    Zain's left knee?

    No doubt going to Dogu was best for Yianni, but it's not what's best for USA. None of our other reserves went to Dogu. Same thing last year. That's because this trip is meant to earn seeding points for the people on the team and work out some kinks before Worlds. Also, Chakaev and Rashidov will both be in Poland for their wrestle off. Yianni could have gotten better competition there if that's really his intent. He had already seen Bajrang. He knew where he stood there. It's pretty clear he and Cornell wanted to show that he was a better option than Zain in order to help their arbitration case. That's great for them, but not for USA because they're still going to lose and now Zain is potentially hobbled and even if he's not, he missed his opportunity for a good tune up. Obviously, they can't ban him from competing, but it should have been strongly cautioned against and Cornell should have gone elsewhere if he really wanted more international competition. Poland is actually a better opportunity for him because he's guaranteed to have at least 2 top 5 guys in the world in the bracket in Rashidov and Chakaev.
  12. Lol, as a "far left socialist," the communist part of the post is the best part! Completely out of left field and has nothing to do with anything. It's almost a parody of a typical American's association of "something I don't like=communist." I've heard multiple people unironically call Jeff Bezos, the richest man in history and founder of one of the largest corporations in history, a communist because he said something critical of Trump. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that kind of thinking because it's so essentially American. Reminds me of home.
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    Zain's left knee?

    lol not sure what you mean by that. I'm pretty frustrated with the situation because it went from bad to worse. I think Zain has the potential to do well, but now he's potentially hurt. It was the absolute worst case scenario. Why on Earth was Yianni at this tournament? I'd put the chances of him winning arbitration at 1%, so the only thing he could have done here is limit Zain's opportunities to see international competition for tune up purposes, which he did and much more by injuring him in the process. Yianni couldn't earn enough points to be seeded anyway, so why was he there? If he wants an international tune up, send him to Spain or Poland for those tournaments where he can't potentially hurt Team USA. If Zain can go, which I expect he will be able to even if he's not 100%, he's gonna go. He won't step aside for Yianni because he's only at 80%, nor would I honestly. What I don't think can be argued is that an injured Zain is not a good option for Team USA. I'm very much on team Zain on this one because he's our guy. Frankly, I don't think the Cornell program has represented themselves well this summer.
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    Zain's left knee?

    can’t wait until zain wrestles at worlds at 75% and goes 0-1. gonna be great.
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    Zain's left knee?

    can’t wait until zain wrestles at worlds at 75% and goes 0-1. gonna be great.
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