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  1. On 6/9/2020 at 9:44 AM, Cradle1 said:

    Completely different weigh in rules- everyone would be competing a weight class  higher. It honestly drives me crazy that seemingly nobody can comprehend this blatantly obvious fact regarding both college and international  wrestling.  When you had 24 hours to recover, your weight class was 5 to 10 pounds lower than when you have one or two hours to recover.  

    Completely agree.  I find it funny when people say things like: "If it weren't for the 118 pound class back then, wrestler X couldn't have wrestled in college."  As you mentioned, the weigh in rules were different, and everything except heavyweight shifted up 7 pounds.  So 118 pounders back then walked around about as big (or bigger) than 125 pounders now.

  2. On 5/26/2020 at 7:32 AM, Coach_J said:

    Tommy Rowlands was a 125 pounder as a high school freshman and developed into a pretty decent heavyweight, placing 5th in the world at 120 k.  Young man I coached won his first high school state title at 103 as a freshman and ended up a college 197 pounder, placing 3rd and 5th in the Big Ten.  On a personal note, I myself was a terrible wrestler but I wrestled by last high school bout at 112 and my first college bout at 142 (cutting about 8 pounds).  Also, in one year overseas I competed from 57 kilos (125.5) to 74 kilos (163)--I was unafraid to lose at any weight!

    Wow, I didn't know Rowlands started that light.  It's been years since I read Kurt Angle's autobiography, but I think he followed a similar weight trajectory in high school.

  3. On 5/24/2020 at 8:08 PM, Coach_J said:

    Chamizo is astounding, though, taking World bronze at 55 and silver at 74.

    Chamizo should definitely be on this list.  Also has World golds at 65 and 70, plus Olympic bronze at 65.  Medals in four weight classes at the senior level!  Has anyone else done that at four weights (not including small changes such as when 96 changed to 97)?

  4. On 3/13/2020 at 4:46 PM, Datsik said:

    I am pretty sure Sean Fausz from NC State was bigger than NATO and Picci. NATO is like 5'3"


    On 3/13/2020 at 5:17 PM, Creek chub said:

    I agree on Fausz. I seen him after a dual with VT his senior year and walked beside him for a few steps. I’m 5’8” and 180. He seemed not too much smaller than me 

    Fausz wrestled 138 as a senior in high school (although it looks like he wrestled 132 at NHSCA's) - it must have been brutal to hold 125 throughout college.  

  5. On 3/26/2020 at 4:01 PM, iwrite said:

    There is a book published in 2019 called "Wrestling Tough: Dominate Mentally on the Mat" by Human Kinetics of Champaign, Illinois, one of the largest publishers of sports books in America. It is a revised edition of the 2004 book of the same name. It is 228 pages long and is loaded with stories and quotes from such legends as Gable, Smith (Bill and John), Sanderson, Kemp, Schultz, Brands, Ryan, Robinson, etc. Kyle Snyder is on the cover. It is available in every  Barnes & Noble and on my web site. -- Mike Chapman

    One of my favorite books.  I checked it out from my local library in 2005 and renewed it so many times that it was maxed out and I had to return it.  Luckily my parents gave a copy to me for Christmas that year.


    The OP mentioned that it's hard to get today's kids to read anything lengthy - one nice thing about this book is that the chapters are brief - making it easy to read one section at a time.


    Old Corps - I can't wait to read it when it's done!

  6. 14 hours ago, Housebuye said:

    This is way more common than you are suggesting. We don’t see it in the US as much as guys with bad gas tanks don’t make it very far in folkstyle. Bottom requires a huge amount of energy. 
    I personally love top and bottom, as it played to my strengths and watching it is fun for me, but cardio plays a huge role in escaping 

    You're definitely right about the different conditioning demands of folkstyle vs freestyle. You may be right about how common it is. Do you know what percent of the general population has defects which would impact cardiovascular capacity (obviously there will be a natural spread of variation among everyone, but I'm talking about genetic variations which would result in a significant impact)? I was just saying that Heskett's case was rare because that's the word Ohio State used to describe it at the time.


    Regardless of how common it is, Muszukajev's laying on the mat between whistles contradicts the idea that wrestling requires one to be well conditioned (even freestyle and greco require above average conditioning). If I was showing some of those videos to a newbie I'd be embarrassed to tell them that's he's a world bronze medalist.  Even if it is really common, I still think a world class athlete, regardless of style or what country they're from, should strive to have respectable cardio.  That's all I'm trying to say.

  7. On 10/7/2019 at 10:03 AM, Housebuye said:

    I think something we don't take into account enough is the genetic component. When they study long distance runners, they often times have genetic advantages that allow them to have better cardio. While wrestling cardio is different, I believe the same concept applies. 

    It is like when we see high level D1 guys get tired. The vast majority of the time it has nothing to do with how hard they train. It could be that he just doesn't really have the lung capacity, heart capacity, etc (I don't know what I'm talking about with these examples) to be ready to go the whole 6 minutes. 

    In the US, our style would never allow for a guy like that to make our team, so we aren't used to it. His style is terrible for facing Americans, even with his exceptional technique, speed and timing. We aren't used to it, so we think he just needs to work harder, but in reality I expect he trains pretty damn hard. 

    It's possible that that may be part of it.  The first example that comes to my mind is Joe Heskett and how his heart condition went undiagnosed until after the 2007 World Championships.  After it was discovered I'm pretty sure his college coach Bobby Douglas said something to the effect that had he known he wouldn't have been so hard on him (Douglas always just assumed that Heskett wasn't training hard whenever he looked gassed).  But Heskett's case was both rare and extreme - if a credible source verifies that Muszukajev has a similar condition, I will cut him plenty of slack.  But even Heskett, despite this condition, never looked anywhere close to as gassed as Muszukajev did.  Genetics do play a part in it, but we always have some level of control over our conditioning, so a world-class athlete absolutely should have their conditioning at a respectable level.

  8. 7 hours ago, NJDan said:

    Thanks. This is still pretty crazy to see Kaz in second, right?


    7 hours ago, wrestfan said:

    no if you handpick the draw for almost the entire team

    let's say I'm Kazakhstan and I want to pick the draw myself. we have 4 top seeds in each weight. let me go weight by weight

    57) Sanayev was 4th seed. his place was fixed. OK I can place some random guys in this quarter, that leaves only Atli (and Micic) in top half. impossible to send Atli as the top seed to the bottom half.

    61) out of 4 seeds, Okhlopkov and Aware are weaker. I pick Aware and send almost everybody else to the top half. seed 2 and 3 (Lomtadze and Aware) had to be in the bottom half, beside them the only notable name is Graff. I probably just missed him.

    65) we have Bajrang, Tomor-Ochir, Turk with a long name and Otoguro as seeded. Tomor-Ochir is the best pick. I send everybody else to the bottom half. that left only Bajrang and Tomor-Ochir for Niyazbekov. he beat the Mongolian and the refs took care of Bajrang for him.

    70) as 2nd seed I knew it will be Emami (3rd seed) in the semifinal. then I can send everybody to the top half. Kazakh only had to beat Australia and Great Britain to reach the semifinal where the refs took care of Emami for him.

    74) hmmm, top 4 seeds look very strong. but Chamizo is much better than Kentchadze, it's hard to pick between Burroughs and Sidakov. in this case it's better to put my wrestler in the same quarter as Chamizo. he will go the final and brings Kaisanov back for the repechage. at very least he can qualify for the Olympics. to make sure the next best guy in his quarter draw is South Korea !!

    79) Iran and USA are seeded in top half. I can send Russia. GEO and UZB to the top. there is only Hassanov left for the bottom half, I can put our guy with him. after all it won't be better than a bronze.

    86) Deepak of India is the weakest seeded wrestler that's where my wrestler goes. we can send everybody else to the bottom half.

    92) seeds for the bottom half look better. in top half we have Cox and Georgia. Cox is a sure thing to go to to the final. I put my wrestler next to him, that will secure at least a 5th place finish.

    97) out of 4 seeds the Mongolian is much weaker than the rest. so we know where we should be. we send everybody to the top half. no problem with Sadulaev we can try for the bronze or at least a quota.

    125) OK our guy sucks after all. let's show the world the draw was "fair" pair him with Russia.

    and it was my wild imagination .... lol

    All week I've been thinking that they got dream draws.  I would not be surprised at all if it was hand picked, but it still blows my mind that these sort of things are allowed to happen.

  9. 6 hours ago, Relentless125 said:

    I think Lewis and Carr are still a few years out from taking down world champs to win the US spot but who was the guy Carr beat for Junior gold?


    6 hours ago, Ogalthorpe Haywood said:

    The Guy from Hungry, 2nd round 

    From what I can tell their common opponent was Khadzhimur Gadzhiyev of Azerbaijan.  Carr beat him 10-0 in the semis of Juniors, and Burroughs beat him in the quarters 8-1.  Obviously the transitive property doesn't always hold water in Freestyle, but I think it shows that Carr could be a threat to anyone at the weight next year.

  10. On 8/16/2019 at 11:31 AM, LJB said:

    this has absolutely no effect on wrestling at all... no one cares outside of a few to begin with... and of those, the vast majority view it through a tainted lense based on the color of a singlet used in a style that rewards not wrestling...

    the majority of this forum had no clue about lindland and lewis and their similar paths before this summer... after a few years, the majority wont know or remember about yanni's case...

    wrestling did and will continue to go on just as it has... regardless of the mewling of some "fans"

    As one poster pointed out, "the whole court case Lindland debacle was something that was brought up when they tried to boot wrestling from the Olympics."  For that reason, I really hope that the IOC forgets about the Zain/Yianni situation (I'm assuming they have or will catch wind of it)...

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