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  1. For one, he probably saved Missouri wrestling at the D1 level. As bad as the program was prior to him getting there, Title IX, and the move to the SEC, the program most likely would have been dropped long ago. The byproduct would have been a reduction and deterioration of youth and high school wrestling numbers and talent. Name a state with elite pre-college talent and a non-succesful D1 program. Second, he created one of the most dynamic summmer camps that was a competition/team camp. This gave kids and coaches a chance to learn the eveolvoing techniques and improved wrestling skills. These camps provided opportunity for off season wrestling that kids would not have attended otherwise. You. Basically had Iowa or OSU before that and not every kid in the state had good proximity to that. He began to have pre-season coaching clinics. He brought high school coaches in and taught technique. At the time technique was lacking in the state. There was not a huge pool of experienced coaches in the state (outside if KC and STL). Many coaches got a direction and were able to expand their wrestling knowledge. This gets passed to the kids. He talked to and listened to coaches. A few of us old timers can remember prior to Smith nobody could travel outside the state 100 miles, the match number per year was all, kids couldn't wresltnf in tournaments with excessive numbers of teams, and the off-season rules were rivaled only by Michigan. The officating was also not very good in terms of interpretation. You couldn't be behind a guy for more than five seconds or you would get stalled out if a match. As a result nobody had to get very good in bottom. mOnkids got tortured on the mat. Smith worked with officials and he also worked with MSHSA to help improve those areas. Especially, with traveling, match, numbers, and off-season. While it did take the HS coaches association to get those changes made it never would have happened had Smith not been there with support and a sting college program. Those are just a few things that he has been instrumental in helping to get changed. As for youth. Outlet was not the first. Randy Smith was ahead of everyone back when he fed Oak Park with Mahab. Since then there have been a lot of great programs. Including Purler. The only argument I would make is that is counts are not complete accurate. While he has MANY kids that are primarily this that he helped develop, he also counts kids that he worked with in a very limited basis that trained with other coaches. That is not saying he is not good and has not produced great wrestlers. I just know that If a kid trained with him for just a few weeks or a few days a week for a month or two he would count them as "Purler trained". I don't know Randy Smith all that well but I dobknow he had the first elite youth program. His kids tortured everyone back in the 90's.
  2. I have maintained confidence in Zain all along, but after today that confidence has gone way down. I didn't see the match so it is very possible he just got caught. Regardless, as good as he is, he always seems to have one bad match in a tournament. The way the international level is you just can't have a bad match. He seems to have at least one almost every time he is out. It's a bummer for sure. I think JO looks great right now. Zain looks great 90% of the time. However, the only one who seems to be consistent is Yianni. This really sucks. Once Gillman got to the finals I thought for sure we would qualify all of the weights.
  3. I don't mean to imply that they can't pull in top guys. I am just meaning that they aren't going to pull the quantity you see at the likes of PSU, OSU, tOSU, IA, and even Michigan, ASU, etc. Just they are on more of the lines of the 8-20 type schools. I know as a parent I would be more than happy to have my son go to any of the academies. When you look at programs like Missouri, VT (initially when Dresser came in), Wyoming, and programs like that they are really good at developing the talent level they get. With Dresser I am meaning when he first went to VT. Now it is a little different because he has established himself. At first though he did a great job developing what he had after the big exit of all those guys to IA.
  4. The only thing that people really talk about is his one loss during his redshirt year. Not really a blemish though. People may say that he didn't have a lot of top quality opponents, but I think he was just that much better. He only had like one or two wins his senior year that he did not bonus. He handled John Trendge a couple times pretty easily. My mind is blank right now but his opponent from West Virginia at the time was very good and he hammered him too. I am not positive, but I think he also beat Pendleton a few times as well. The other thing to consider is I think a lot of guys moved away from Cael. Irregardless to wrestle 159 matches and never lose is insane to think about. That is winning when sick, dinged up, having an off day, not getting caught, etc. Guys today don't wrestle as man matches. I'm not sure Cael even really had any controversial wins, like say Steiber. Cael was just purely dominant his Junior and Senior year. Back then it also wasn't like it is today where guys are held out at times for big matches. I don't think he ever missed a single match. The only person I feel could even be in the discussion with what Cael did in college is Dake. Dake had a loss or two his Freshman year. However, I don't remember him ever missing a match against a top opponent, and he beat some really good guys (i.e. Taylor). IMO, Cael was the best collegiate wrestler of all time and Dake is a very close second. If you split hairs Dake may not have ever had a loss if he would have had a redshirt/greyshirt. He did win it in 4 different weights and I think Cael won 2 different weights. Cael had more dominant wins against the #2-#4's than Dake, and he had more wins due to the number of matches wrestled. I think Cael had more bonus wins across his career as well. However, that isn't always the best indicator; especially with Dakes style. I think Steiber and the rest of the pack are pretty far behind those two.
  5. Johnston actually wrestled for Iowa durning Zalesky's tenure. He does a great job developing student athletes. He was probably the main reason Michael Chandler was an A.A. In fact he played a big part in the success of guys like Marable, Chandler, Houdashelt, Mayes, Lavallee, and to a degree Jordan, Leeth, and Lewis. Most of those guys were not big time recruits, if any (Maybe Lewis). Johnston was a big part of their development. A school like Navy, Air Force, etc., are not going to get a bunch of top tier recruits. So I don't think they need a huge recruiting name. Imo, they need a coach who can develop really good, but no necessarily great wrestlers coming out of high school. Developing that really good kid who may not be getting much scholarship elsewhere and convincing the to go to the Academy, then developing them above expectations is key for those programs. He is a genuine standup family guy too, and would fit that culture. Last year was his first year as associate head coach at Air Force. I don't think most kids commit to the Academy's because of the sport necessarily. Largely due to the extended commitment beyond.
  6. I think Joe Johnston might be a good fit for this role. Former Iowa guy, 11 years as an assistant during Mizzou's most successful years to date, and experience as an associate head coach at Air Force. The Mid - Mid upper weights had a lot of success when he was at Missouri. I know there are bigger names out there, but I think he is an ideal guy for that program. He is a great guy and has the perfect character and discipline for the position at Navy imo. I also think he is someone who would stay in that program and not look for something bigger and better.
  7. First, I would say that it is poor timing and taste to bring up the "rape accusation", but obviously people have a right to their comments. With that said.... I will say this on the "accusation". I was just that. An accusation. I can say this. I have a very good friend who was new the girl on an acquaintance level. Again, that means he did not know her well and not more than a "hey what's up" level. I asked him once what he thought. He was pretty objective. He said he didn't really know. He did say that he he saw her out and partying pretty hard a couple times. To be accurate he was not saying he thought she was lying or the accusations were or were not false. He was saying that there were several different ways he could have seen it going. He said he didn't know her well enough to say that she was lying, but that he could have seen a scenario where she had been drinking or maybe did do something. From our conversation he felt he wasn't willing to go so far to say that she was maybe calling it rape when it wasn't, but also that he wasn't willing say that it didn't happen. Take from it what you want. Each person will probably have their own opinion.
  8. see earlier comment where I said I didn't me "much" in the literal since.
  9. yeah, the word much, was a bit much. haha.. I didn't mean it in a literal way, but it does read like that.
  10. ummmmm... Downey???? Is that a tradeoff for Zain
  11. Eh... lol... I still think Colon's is much better. Now if we are talking laces... those laces were nice. Dake had that guy broke after the first 7 points.
  12. Dake must have this forum pulled up on his phone. I bet he read all of the comments and said, thanks coaches'. Then went out and made those adjustments to point a lot of points on the board.
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