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    Chitown reacted to Old Corps in “Amateur” moves: headlocks/sags and mixers   
    I've often thought that a wrestler who became very skilled at the Russian 2on1 tie and the countless options from it could do well at high-level college wrestling. 
    I think many coaches think it is easy to shut down (and it is, against unskilled users who really don't master the technique) and discourage it's use. I also think most coaches do not know much about this technique and associated options, and thus, don't include it in their systems.
    I think the Russian options would be a huge add to Mason Parris's arsenal. He's quick enough to do so many moves off of counters to the Russian, and he wouldn't have to put himself under the big opponents as much as he does. 
    Various Russin Tie series work well at the World-Class level and there's no reason why it couldn't work in college wrestling.
     
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    Chitown reacted to russelscout in “Amateur” moves: headlocks/sags and mixers   
    Do you think that's a good thing? I think the problem with doubles is how they are taught. Stopping and pivoting gives the other guy time to throw his hips into you. Burroughs just drives through and I think that's the best way to teach it. The thing about a hi-c to a double is that you already have that angle and can avoid the hips.
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    Chitown reacted to Meatey in “Amateur” moves: headlocks/sags and mixers   
    There's a lot to be said on what people consider junk moves and what people consider moves that are hit when the opportunity presents itself.  Talking with John Smith one time, he made realize that junk moves are really go to moves for some and what some consider junk.  He talked about two wrestlers that had a lot of success for him and how when they first came into the Cowboy Wrestling Room, he was not impressed at all.  One was a huge recruit and is now a assistant for him, Zack Esposito and the other was Johnny Thompson.  John told me that after coaching those two, that he will never tell a wrestler that they cannot do  a move or that it is crap wrestling and it won't work.  Of course he meant that it worked for those guys and not a lot of others, but it rang true and it was a lesson that I will never forget.  If you pull up Johnny Thompson's Highlight video it is awesome, truly one of the toughest guys that I ever had the opportunity to scrap with.  Johnny talked about how he was able to hit his snake on almost anyone and then he developed one of the best double legs off of that.  Guys were terrified to get caught in the snake and it would sit up his beautiful double because they would square up so hard keep their head up for fear of getting tossed to their back.  
    One of story that I would like to share about this topic is about a former great Nebraska High School Coach.  Tom McCann coached at Kearney High School and had a top level HS team.  He talked one time about coaching kids that were knew to wrestling how to pin.  He would show big moves that most consider junk and by doing this, he said he should kids how to use leverage, hips, strength, and they had fun by learning how to pin.  After they developed this, the kids were hooked and they wanted to learn more.  They wanted to become a good or great wrestler like other kids on his team.  He talked about showing kids how to hit High Flyers, Snakes, Twisters, and other moves that people consider junk moves and I will never forget the first time I went to the Nebraska HS State Tournament and I heard the roar of the Kearney fans and I looked over and saw a kid that had come into the tournament with barely a 500 record just pin his way into the semi-finals.  It was another lesson that has stuck with me in my own coaching career and I do think there are always room for good wrestlers to learn what some consider junk moves.   
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    Chitown reacted to LJB in Parris-Cass Video   
    for once, the typical hyperbole that gets spouted on this bbs was not exaggerated... that was pretty damn impressive...
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    Chitown reacted to Gantry in Lee true number 1 at 141   
    Red is his only top10 win, but he has looked phenomenal and went to the US Open and beat Eierman and Molinaro.   He's looked fantastic and it is far from imopssible to argue for him over Pletcher.  In a ranking sense obviously no but watching them both this year Lee is right there with Pletcher. 
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    Chitown reacted to silvermedal in Occam's Razor. Or a Defense of Austin DeSanto.   
    No one thinks he faked injury.  We just think he could have continued and quit when he was about to get stuck.  stop overthinking it.  Most obvious answer is usually correct....Ocam's razor.
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    Chitown reacted to JasonBryant in Women's College Wrestling   
    The first part is a line (lacrosse is booming) I often hear as a reason for losing wrestling from some of the hardcore Title IX pundits like Nancy Hogshead-Makar, who would claim the law was never responsible for any mens cut program, rather than it was a shift in interest - and she is meaning the college level. We know high school participation numbers have peaks and valleys. 
    That being said, is lacrosse actually booming at the college level? It is at the same levels men's wrestling is - the non-Division I programs. 
    According to the NCAA's own participation statistics, from 1982-83 to 2017-18:
    Men's Division I lacrosse increased from 50 programs to 71, a gain of 21 teams. Division II went from 18 to 72, while Division III went from 70 to 237. 
    Since we've had an increase in NCAA member schools over the past 30 years, here's other things to consider. 
    In 1982-83, there were 274 Division I institutions. 18% of Division I schools fielded a men's lacrosse program. 
    In 2017-18, there were 337 Division I institutions. 20% of Division I schools fielded a men's lacrosse program. 
    At the Division I level, this hardly constitutes a boom. 
    Men's wrestling statistically peaked the first year they tracked the participation numbers, with 146 Division I schools having teams with a percentage of 52.9% of D1 schools represented. 
    As of 2017-18, with the number listed at 76, that's 21.9% - lower because of cuts, but also lower because schools transitioning from other divisions aren't coming in with wrestling programs in large. 
    At the Division III level, lacrosse went from being sponsored at 22.9% in 82-83 to 52.2%. Lacrosse is booming for the same reason schools are adding wrestling programs at the non-D1 level - they need male enrollment. Some schools pick lacrosse, some are picking wrestling. 
    D3 wrestling was at 87 teams in 2011-12. It's going to check in at 112 this season. 
     
    Now, as far as the alumni and well-to-do alumni donating back - we have 21 more D1 schools than we did 35 years ago. Not sure if the trickle-down is statistically viable. 
     
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    Chitown reacted to tbert in The call   
    1. Zain pressures in and yanks up on leg to expose Yanni.
    2. Yanni reacts to the pressure rolling Zain through without stopping or redirecting the action.
     
    Pretty clear 2-0 at least Zain.  The aggressive action receives weighted measure.
    The other 2 for Yanni is debatable could be or not.  Judgement call.
    Freestyle scoring is and has never been an exact science. This match is not unlike several hundred others.
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    Chitown got a reaction from jstock in Who's the best wrestler you've ever wrestled?   
    Guys I lost to:
    John Smith - Oklahoma State - the low single makes him much faster than he looks. You catch yourself at beginning of match thinking “this guy doesn’t look that big”, while is knee locking you on a low single. There is absolutely no way to slow him down or stall on him unless you have great hips. 
    Pat Santoro - Pittsburgh- Rips your arms off - only guy you ever thought about not getting hurt and wonder if you will be able move your shoulders at age 50.
    Sean O'Day - Edinboro - Strong as **** - have no idea how he made it down to 134 after going 142. You can shoot on him, but his guns were strong. 
    John Fisher - Michigan - athletic but you can score on him
    Larry Gotcher - Michigan - huge for weight
    Joey Bales - Northwestern
     
    A few guys I beat who were Big Ten finalists.
    Brad Gintert - Ohio State, Brian Smith  - Michigan State
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    Chitown got a reaction from LifeintheRed in Who's the best wrestler you've ever wrestled?   
    Guys I lost to:
    John Smith - Oklahoma State - the low single makes him much faster than he looks. You catch yourself at beginning of match thinking “this guy doesn’t look that big”, while is knee locking you on a low single. There is absolutely no way to slow him down or stall on him unless you have great hips. 
    Pat Santoro - Pittsburgh- Rips your arms off - only guy you ever thought about not getting hurt and wonder if you will be able move your shoulders at age 50.
    Sean O'Day - Edinboro - Strong as **** - have no idea how he made it down to 134 after going 142. You can shoot on him, but his guns were strong. 
    John Fisher - Michigan - athletic but you can score on him
    Larry Gotcher - Michigan - huge for weight
    Joey Bales - Northwestern
     
    A few guys I beat who were Big Ten finalists.
    Brad Gintert - Ohio State, Brian Smith  - Michigan State
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    Chitown reacted to LifeintheRed in Who's the best wrestler you've ever wrestled?   
    Definitely not the best, but arguably the most famous was Mario Lopez aka Slater from Saved by the Bell.  We wrestled at a J. Robinson Intensive Wrestling Camp one summer.  He had probably 3 years on me and at least 25 lbs but I won, because even if I didn't, I would never admit losing to this guy.  LOL!

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    Chitown reacted to Panther78 in Transfer Success Stories?   
    Or this one.......
    Many years ago, Manny Holmes was the 167-pounder for Mason City (Iowa)
    Community College. The Iowa State freshmen were scheduled to wrestle
    Manny's team. A quote from Holmes in the Mason City newspaper - "It's
    too bad Jean won't be down to 167 for this match" - made its way to
    Ames.

    "I cut 33 1/2 pounds in three days to get to 167," Jean said. "Manny was down 17-1 when I pinned him."

    Please, young Jeff Long, take this advice: When referring to Chuck Jean as "Chicken Wing," never forget to smile.
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    Chitown reacted to TobusRex in Highest Quality Rivalry   
    Yeah, he was a pretty salty wrestler, probably would've been a multiple NCAA champ if not for Monday and Carr. From what I understand these days Frizzell is a CEO or something and filthy rich.
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    Chitown reacted to KTG119 in Highest Quality Rivalry   
    Frizzell used to post on here. In my book, def one of the best guys to never make a final. That era OU was something special with him, Metzger, Dave and Mark, Dr Death, etc. 
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    Chitown reacted to 1032004 in Highest Quality Rivalry   
    Of IMAR/PSU rivalries, I think I’d put Joseph/Imar ahead of Nolf.
    Zahid/Hall pretty good too
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    Chitown got a reaction from hammerlockthree in Highest Quality Rivalry   
    Thinking about all time rivalries like what we had some recent tastes with Nolf & IMAR (albeit 1 year), and Bo & Martin, etc. but these are nothing compared to some of the best..I can't think of a rivalry with such great matches and high quality competitors as with Nate Carr & Kenny Monday. On top of that, era-wise, you had some great competitors  around that same weight. You had Metzker & Zelski twice in the finals and the era was tough to beat on quality with guys like Schultz, Metzker, Burley, Frizzell, Kistler, Heffernan, Lee Roy Smith
    Just looking at Carr & Monday's bios after is all said and done...wow. Man those were some great matches.
    *Nate Carr, Iowa State - Nate Carr was a three-time NCAA champion for the Cyclones in the early 1980's. His last two titles were achieved via overtime wins over his greatest rival - Oklahoma State's Kenny Monday, an NCAA, world and Olympic champion. Carr was a bronze medalist at the 1988 Olympics.
    (1981 NCAA Champ 150, 1982 NCAA Champ 150 in OT over Monday), 1983 NCAA Champ in OT over Monday
    *Kenny Monday, Oklahoma State - 1988 Olympic gold medal. He also won a world championship in 1989 and a silver medal in Barcelona 1992. He was an NCAA champion in 1984 and a runner-up in 1982 and 1983.  Two tough loses in 82/83 and wins with future champs like Urbano & Kistler in the weight
    At that same weight you had guys like Roger Frizzell from Oklahoma who was 3,3,3,4 and could have been a 3xr in any other era. 
    Down below them at 142 you had Metzker and Daryl Burley who was 3x champ, 4 x finalist..... 
    As much as we think this is a great time now, I just don't know if they guys will be as iconic as these, perhaps JB excluded.
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    Chitown reacted to KTG119 in Highest Quality Rivalry   
    Carr and Monday was a great rivalry. Monday beat him at Big 8 both years that Carr beat him in NCAA finals iirc. 
    As you mentioned Zalesky and Metzger was another good one. Same era Banach/Schultz, Banach/Mann, Schultz/Hummel Goldman/Chaid just a few more that come to mind. 
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    Chitown reacted to BigTenFanboy in Separated at birth?   
    Teyon Ware... P Diddy
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    Chitown reacted to HurricaneWrestling2 in Separated at birth?   
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    Chitown reacted to WillieBoy in Nick Suriano: Fashion Icon   
    If he wins again he has a couple "Herb Tarlick" suits from WKRP in Cincinnati to choose from. With Gold Chains - since he is that type...
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    Chitown got a reaction from gowrestle in Nick Suriano: Fashion Icon   
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    Chitown got a reaction from LCpl Schmuckatelli in Nick Suriano: Fashion Icon   
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    Chitown got a reaction from steamboat_charlie v2 in 141 Finals   
    Disagree - It was a skillful move, but with "reaction time", plus "referee verbal notification", and counts were not there. It was less than 2 seconds. 
    https://news.theopenmat.com/blog/2017/10/31/hey-ref-think-neutral-danger-zone-rule/64658/
    Love Yianni and his defense, but 1 I thought the reward for the late TD with McKenna's arm still around the back was too fast; he never really completely had the TD.  I am an OSU hater, but even I thought McKenna was robbed a bit. He did most of the action,  created almost all the shots, took most of the space, but then to have the stalling called for 5 seconds of inactivity was ridiculous, if not match changing.
    IMO, Guys like Yianni & Fix have such incredible defense and counter ability that, at times against the very best in college, is a liability because they know they can wait and counter, sometimes stiffling their equally talented offense. 
    That being said, I could watch Jaydin Eirman & YIANNI wrestle all day - their action, their chess matches, creativity, and counters are just an unbelievable privilege to watch. IMO, there is no tactically better rivalry in the last 10 years than these two. Sure the 133 and 125 has some more heated emotional rivalries because a few of these guys are mental, but these two guys leave all that baggage aside an just get it done. The only other rivalries that could compare was maybe Nolf & Martinez, or perhaps the way  you were left breathless after watching IMAR and Ian Miller wrestle - after going "wow, what did I just watch?"
     
     
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    Chitown got a reaction from TFBJR in Pittsburgh grades   
    Because, after all, it is Detroit. Detroit sucks. 
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