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  1. hbluejr

    Cox vs "Snyder or Taylor"

    Which was the 5-2 match? Assuming the 3-2 match was NCAA semis in 2015?
  2. hbluejr

    2019 WTT Contest

    Megaluis - 400 Imar - 500 Martin - 200 Macchiavello - 100 Gadson - 700 Coon - 600
  3. hbluejr

    Is Yianni the Second Best Ever?

    Flo did rank Uetake #2 on their all time greatest college wrestlers list last year, so, he does get some modern recognition. He was truly great. I personally haven't found a record of a single Uetake loss in any style/competition-- he went 3/3 undefeated at NCAA's and 2/2 Gold in the Olympics- giving up no offensive points in his first Gold run and beating 6 recent or soon-to-be World Gold medalists through the Japan Team Trials and the Olympics. And that was with 2 more years of NCAA competition to go. If you were to knock him as far as some sort of collegiate career rankings go, it would be because he was 21 yrs old in his first NCAA's appearance, so it's tough to know how he would have done as a 18, 19 or 20 yr old (he didn't wrestle any major tournaments if at all his freshman year as far as I can tell). I suppose Stieber (21) is similar, and Dan Hodge was even older at just about age 23 in his first NCAA's due to military service (he did make the Olympics at age 20 and went 1-2). For those reasons, I tend to view Kemp and Snyder's accomplishments from ages 18-22 or so as a bit more impressive as they competed as true freshman and also had international success at very young ages (World Golds at 19 and 21 respectively). (My personal preference is to take freestyle/international success into account when playing these thought experiments as to how these guys stack up against each other as NCAA competition levels can be so variable). If Yianni is able to win out in NCAA competition, make a couple world teams, and perhaps medal, I think it could be very reasonable to argue for his career to be ranked above Cael's. I tend to view the day in and day out competition at 141 and 149 as generally stronger than that at 184 and 197. As a true freshman, in addition to the all too frequently referenced loss, I don't believe Cael wrestled actually wrestled very much high caliber collegiate competition (e.g. didn't compete at Midlands, etc.), and he took 7th in the Jr. World Trials that year (high school junior Damion Hahn took 3rd). Two years later I believe he took 6th at US Open and was knocked out early in the Olympic Trials. That said, it would be extremely difficult for anyone to match Cael's collegiate dominance from ages 21-23 or so, and of course nothing in wrestling is guaranteed as recent NCAA's have shown re: great guys like Imar, Cenzo, and Mymar. With these thought experiments, it's all about the personal criteria, of course.
  4. hbluejr

    Giving PDIII props

    It's certainly true that anomalies can be found anywhere, but the state of Maryland, while not large (#19 in terms of population), does in fact do an exceptional job of producing highly capitalized and elite talent across many sports.Per NCAA data, Maryland ranks very highly in % of participants/sport recruited at the D1 Level in nearly all sports. For instance: Boys' Basketball (#1), Girls' Basketball (#1), Boys' Soccer (#1), Girl's Track and Field (#1), Boys' Lacrosse (#1), Girls' Lacrosse (#1), Boys' Track and Field (#2), Girls' Soccer (#4), Wrestling (#4), Football (#5), Baseball (#8), etc. In the 2016 Rio Olympics I believe 10 different athletes who played high school athletics in Maryland won Gold Medals across 7 different sports. I believe this ranked 2nd overall behind California and 1st in per capita. In terms of recent wrestling success oddities, as has been noted, in 2017 four former/current Maryland high school wrestlers won age level World Golds (Snyder, Maroulis, Brooks, McHenry). These results across various sports may be due to Maryland being the state with the #1 per capita income in the U.S. (likely due it's privileged greogrphic proximity to the nation's capital), which has resulted in well funded public high schools, many dozens of private schools, many well funded youth sports options, and parents with the means to pay for supplemental athletic training, all located within a very small geographic area that fosters a lot of competitive opportunities and knowledge transfer. Maryland certainly isn't notorious for wrestling and it's not particularly popular in-state (#24 nationally in terms of total high school participation #'s), but like other sports it does punch a bit above it's weight. When elite talent does come around, athletes in Maryland may be more likely to be afforded the resources and opportunities needed to capitalize on their potential across a variety of sports. There certainly are some Phelps and Snyder equivalents out there who just weren't born in to the right situations to succeed athletically.
  5. Here's a Gable guy who was funkier than Nolf: --(Best one, but couldn't find a YouTube link) vs. 6X World Team Member/World Gold Melvin Douglas. Start at 7:15 for highlight real: https://www.flowrestlinGg.org/video/5173020-167lbs-melvin-douglas-vs-rico-chiapparelli-1983-iowa-university-vs-oklahoma-university --These two Youtube vids are teed up for highlights: A.) NCAA Finals B.) Vs. Russian World Champ Jabrailov
  6. hbluejr

    Kurt McHenry

    " This exact hypothetical could be posed about literally every single recruit...Yet, it's not. So what's different here? The publicly stated/available information relevant to McHenry's education/academic abilities, from what I can tell, is: a.) He attends a very academically competitive prep school (St. Paul's) who's most recent nationally ranked recruits matriculated to Princeton (Tsonga) and UPenn (Planta). b.) He completed this prep school's graduation requirements a semester early. c.) He'll attend one of the nations top academic universities next year (UMich). d.) And, his short list of universities consisted of UMich, Stanford, Cornell, UNC, and Penn State. Literally every piece of education-relevant information publicly stated/available should be considered a very positive indicator of his academic abilities and yet he's the kid that prompts reckless message board postulation about whether "his academics are trouble..."? This board should stick to wrestling-- needlessly broaching questions about a kid's academic capabilities- especially without the slightest reason or impetus to- is irresponsible and potentially damaging.