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  1. 56 minutes ago, AKHUNTER said:

    His name is Greg "mutt" Haugen. 3 time light weight champion............ first person to beat Hector "macho" Camacho (Camacho was like 43-0 at the time.). Beat Vinnie Pazienza(sp). Knocked Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini out.  Boxed, and lost, to Cezar Chavez in Mexico city before about 105,000 people........... NOBODY was gonna beat Chavez in Mexico city........... not and live anyway.

    Greg Haugen is one tough dude and great fighter.

  2. On 5/4/2020 at 2:34 PM, NJDan said:

    I always thought the wrestlers were the best conditioned athletes exor, maybe, middle-distance runners. But the other day I happened to see on YouTube a fight between Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns. Wrestlers go 6 or 7 minutes. These guys went for 36 minutes in 12 rounds. And they were punching each other in the face a lot. Of course, boxers are paid millions, adding to their incentive. So do y'all think wrestlers are as fit as they are?


    The last paragraph of this article speaks a bit to my background (I only share this to provide credibility to my comment).  I grew up doing both and my freshman/redshirt year at NDSU I won the ND Golden Gloves tournament.   Then lost in the finals of what is known as the Upper Midwest GG Boxing Championships.  Then went back to wrestling.  I was the transition athlete (did both) in the family as three older brothers all boxed and me and my two younger brothers took to wrestling. 

    Wrestling training and competing is more demanding and tiring than boxing.  As you all know, if you train appropriately and get into top shape, the training and competing become much easier.

    Boxing you stand more straight up keeping your feet underneath you and stay REAL loose.  Boxing training consisted of running but no weight training (you didn't need it to punch hard), and a lot of shadow boxing, sparring, and rope skipping.  Amateur's were 3, 3 minute rounds and were not as tiring as wrestling.  If your good, you don't take punches flush and you go with everything and shots glance off you.   As you compete against better fighters it is inevitable you will take one square in the nose or the chin (this is rare for good fighters).  However, if your not in shape, too muscle bound, or to tight, you can wear yourself out quickly and can get yourself hurt.

    In summary, the two sports are just different and each has their unique challenges in training and competing.

  3. On 4/15/2020 at 6:36 AM, Tofurky said:

    Why do most wrestling fans in the United States cling so tightly to our singular scholastic/collegiate style of wrestling? This style isn't wrestled anywhere else on earth, is strictly tied to educational institutions (if you want to compete in it, you have to be registered in school at any level), and has zero competitive option beyond college. Given that many of the board members here can see the obvious danger of what a shaky economic market due to a pandemic is foreshadowing for non-revenue collegiate sports, why are we as a sports community not looking for more suitable options for the longevity of wrestling in this country?

    My question is...what scoring rules in Freestyle would you like to see implemented in Folk?  The reason I ask is because the NCAA Rules Committee is constantly adapting rules to make the sport better.  Sometimes those rules are very minor but sometimes they make a big difference.  "Hands to the face" penalty first offense lasted one year, and it was changed as too draconian.  Scoring and allowing pinning out of bounds has been a good rule change.   

    There are some Freestyle rules I would like to see in Folkstyle but there are many rules I would not want.  I would like to see a reward for feet to back technique.  Think Mark Hall vs Michael Kemmerer first match.  Hall jacks up MK with double underhooks and throws MK to his back and MK comes out the back and scores TD so 2 MK and 0 MH.  Maybe this could have been 2-2 or 3-2?  The excitement of Hall taking the risk on the throw hurt him.  What's the lesson?  Don't take those kind of risks, or only in desperation.  The moment you add scoring for feet to back, you will see better technique being developed in wrestling rooms across the country (just watch the Russian Nationals highlight film).

    However, there are many things about Free I would not like:  

    *  3 Officials...ridiculous

    *  Par Terre

    *  Being under the umbrella of UWW rule changes.  Would you rather be under the protection of The Bill of Rights or under the whims of the UN?

  4. 9 hours ago, DoubleHalf said:

    Fun personal fact- I went to the J Robinson 28 Day camp the summer following that run when all these guys were camp counselors. I remember Volkmann putting our running group through absolute hell one morning...

    DoubleHalf.  I have respect for you and I tip my hat as the 28 day camp is no easy feat.  I used to work Jrobs camps in the summer and they helped me immeasurably in so many ways.  I also think many kids who go to this camp aren't the top recruits but they are the kids who want to be better.  I admire and appreciate that in a kid more than the talent level.  

  5. Hi Monagfam,  I am a fan for two reasons...I love to look for diamonds in the rough.  The kids who were overlooked in HS for various reasons and then pour it on later.  They have a passion for the sport and want to be really good, and can be, but they may not be in the right training environment.  No disrespect to any naia, dii, or jc coaches, but a top DI programs have the practice partners, alumni via club training, multiple coaches, tougher schedules, etc. and that environment is difficult to replicate.

    Second, and this is more locally, I like to follow kids who I enjoyed watching in HS to see how they do at their respective national tournaments.


  6. 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

    Looked like he walks around at 200+ and had 15-20 pounds on Hall when they wrestled.  Crazy how big these guys can get "naturally"

    Strength and Conditioning coaches at colleges today are top notch at putting beef on athletes.  If an athlete has the frame for it, through proper diet (increase calories) and proper high weight/low rep weight training this can easily be done.   Many young athletes have not fully matured yet (and some have...Mark Hall?) and once you quit cutting weight and go the opposite direction (lifting and eating) it is not out of the question to jump two weight classes.

  7. 12 minutes ago, TBar1977 said:

    Yeah, the pressure is against normal. This happens all the time and nobody is trying to hurt anyone. Desanto twists guys legs and knees. The sport requires super fast decision making. 

    I don't think I have watched a single match between ranked wrestlers this year where one or both wrestlers had knees in a potentially dangerous position.


    Again, objectively, I am just looking at the technique/move...I didn't say anyone was trying to hurt anyone and regardless of who the wrestlers are.  So I appreciate your agreement.

    Personally and in my opinion, I wouldn't teach this type of inside cradle for fear the bottom wrestler would get hurt. Why? The bottom wrestler will feel the pressure on the inside portion of his knee.  Having had this injury before, even a partial tear to the medial collateral ligament is a bitch.


  8. First, I have no skin in the game and as a former wrestler and coach, I am trying to be objective.  The match is on Youtube and watch the replay starting at 1:43.  Use your phone to record in slow motion if you want to really analyze the move in even slower motion. 

    Top wrestler (TW) uses both hands to slightly tug/pull the lower part of the leg of Bottom Wrestler (BW) outside of his base to ensure BW does not sit on his own leg.  TW then posts his left hand and pulls again with his right hand (with right forearm placed against the side of the leg of BW) to make sure the bottom part of BW leg is outside of his base.  TW then reaches for bottom of the foot/toe with left hand and turns the toe outward.  Note BW head is stuck under TW hips/thigh.  TW then pulls again with both hands outward.  TW then releases the leg with both hands and goes for cradle.

    The question is (regardless of who the wrestlers are, what team they are for or their past performances), "Is the pressure against the normal movement of the knee joint?" 

  9. From the rule book. Although what happened was not exactly illustrated, the pressure is against the normal movement of the knee joint.  The rule book also states that an illegal hold should be stopped by the referee to prevent injury but in cases where the illegal hold/movement cannot be prevented it should be penalized.  Objectively, I would say that move is going against the normal movement of the joint no matter who does it.


  10. On 12/18/2019 at 6:47 PM, HokieHWT said:

    When I hit the heavy bag in the basement I tuck in my sweatshirt into my sweatpants and my sweatpants into my socks. The correct answer to why I do this is to keep the heat in. Sometimes I still duck tape my wrists to hold all the heat in, usually when I’m trying to detox from the night before.

    Funny.  Yep, plastics under the sweats and everything tucked in tight to sweat as much as possible.  Take it all off, dry down, step on scale, making weight by an ounce or two if lucky and then downing a 32 oz Gatorade in seconds.  

  11. Agreed.  It was a nice documentary and a great tribute to Alex and the Stickley family.  Odd, I remember watching the Wi/IA dual last year and hearing about the bELIeve story but I guess I didn't really put the it together until today.  I was at the Big Tens last year when Alex beat Joseph and the arena was just electric after his victory.   Powerful tribute.

  12. On 11/26/2019 at 4:05 PM, patmilkovich said:

    I believe Barton qualified as a wildcard from DII. And Barton took out the 5,4,1,and 2 in that order...He won is first match 11-5, then 6-6, 4-3OT (2-3-3, 1min rest, then 1-1-1), then 8-5, then 5-3 in the semi's, then 8-6 in the finals.... I'm pretty sure they took the 1 & 2 and several wild cards in DII and all the DIII champs plus a few wilds...I could be wrong on the exact numbers....Also, Hvywt Chris Taylor, Iowa St., weighed 400+.  I wish they would reinstate the "unlimited" weight class again.  Having the 118 and UNL truly gave a lot of guys a chance to compete at the college level, reinforcing the concept that virtually any one, any size, could get a scholarship and compete collegiately in sport... like wrestling.  Back then there was no 9.9 limit on scholarships or how many could be in the room...And Doug Blubaugh was Grady's asst at MSU until 1973, then he left for Indiana.

    Pat, congratulations to you and your brother for your outstanding careers.   It's an honor to have you provide your insight and wisdom to this board.

  13. I would stay with Folk and here are some of my reasons...

    *   Folkstyle rule changes/adaptations are made via the NCAA Coaches Committee...these guys know wrestling pretty well (I don't recall who is currently on the committee) and although I don't agree with all of them, at least it's fairly consistent from year to year.

    *  The international rules are set by the Officials (not coaches).

    *  Think of all the rule changes in international wrestling over the past couple decades...2 minute periods with no accumulated scoring, the infamous ball grab, single leg position after after tied period, forced body lock after tied periods, one day tournaments with single elimination or virtually no wrestle backs, no sense even wrestling for third place as we need to get these damn matches over with, good grief I could go on and on.  If these guys were in charge of my marketing department and responsible for filling the seats, i would have fired them multiple times over.  

    *  Contrast any international tournament, even the Olympics and world championships,  to the DI NCAA wrestling championships.  The DI's are a much better fan experience.  Some of the reasons for this is the brackets are easy to understand, the tournament is spread over three days and fans can go the bars with their friends/family and talk about the great matches and the anticipation of great matches to come.  The Big Tens are similar.  These are fun times.

    *  If we move to international rules, we will be beholden to the international officials (yikes) and their opinions.  No more input from the field.

    *  International wrestling has three officials for each mat?  What a joke and waste of travel expenses.

    *  International matches have a lot of subjectivity to the scoring (who tilted who?, no sure but better get the three officials together to discuss) 

    *  The international officials are constantly blowing the whistle and stopping the matches.  Oftentimes they are even scolding the wrestlers which gives a tone of disrespect.

    *  Is Folkstyle perfect?  Probably not, but at least it's uniquely ours.


  14. 5 hours ago, Witherman said:

    apple valley's website says they have 6 ncaa champs - could this be counting multiple championships per individual athlete?  i'm no expert on minnesota HS wrestling but they were the first team that I thought of when you mentioned bloomington being the most

    Dang.  I could be behind the times and that may be so. 

    AV DI champs...Mark Hall, Seth Gross, and Matt Demary (WI).  DII champs Destin McCauley (NE Kearney), and Mike Langlais (NDSU).  I am missing someone but not sure who off hand.  

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