Jdowntown: I too love the mat wrestling and more so if top guy is working toward a pin. More grueling type of wrestler on top that is punishing. I don't like the 4 points for tilts though as I think this has actually reduced the type of riding that worked for pins. I will mention though that par terre defense may appear to be "lay and pray" but in actuality there is an art to it. I made some videos to help others get better at par terre and it does frustrate me to no end how many guys give up turns from underneath. Anyway, good conversations.
Hate is a strong word and gets attention as a topic. I would wager very few people actually hate someone else. They may have mannerisms that are annoying, behavior you don't agree with, or beliefs you don't share. Hate? doubt it