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  1. Yup, Martin is the all-time wins leader. My only issue with putting him on the second-team is that he might not even be the greatest 125 lber in PSU history because of the names above (Megaludis, Abe, and Prescott). I believe Q went as a true freshman then redshirted the following season. I also think Joseph is for sure on the second team due to his resume at the NCAAs, but he does deserve criticism for not getting it done at the B1Gs. I just realized Hall and Joseph's records above did not include the 2020 B1G tournament matches (but TBH, it doesn't make much of a difference). What makes Nolf #1 for you?
  2. I'd go: Mark Hall NCAA Placements: 1-2-2-cancelled Career Record: 113-6, 41 falls, 62.2% bonus rate Rationale: Hall is very, very good. He's #7 all-time in both win % and career falls. He's also 8th all-time in career bonus % at PSU--despite the flack he gets for not being an offensive dynamo. His only losses at the NCAAs is to another great of the current era: Zahid Valencia--and he's actually even with him in official college matches (2-2). Vincenzo Joseph NCAA Placements: 1-1-2-cancelled Career Record: 87-8, 26 falls, 59% bonus rate Rationale: 2x champ, 3x finalist with wins over Isaiah Martinez in both of his championship victories. His career losses: Martinez (3x), Marinelli (2x), Lewis, Isaac Jordan, and Subjeck. Kerry McCoy NCAA Placements: DNP-1-3-1 Career Record: 150-18, 34 falls, 39.1% bonus rate Rationale: '97 Hodge winner, #2 all-time in career wins. Quentin Wright NCAA Placements: 6-1-2-1 Career Record: 116-23, 38 falls, 45.3% bonus rate Rationale: I think he's the only other 3x finalist. I could be wrong. For spot #5, I think you can make a case from a number of PSU lightweights: Megaludis (2-2-3-1), Abe (4-3-2-1), Martin (4-2-1-3), or Prescott (DNQ-5-1-1). Andy Matter (2x champ) also belongs in the discussion.
  3. It's tough to rank these 5. Their combined collegiate records are 633-15 with 271 falls, and they possess 14 NCAA Titles along with 5 Hodge Trophies. Bo Nickal NCAA Placement: 2-1-1-1 Career Record: 120-3, 59 falls, 76.4% bonus rate Losses: Nate Jackson, Myles Martin (2x) Finals Wins: Dean, Martin, Moore Ed Ruth NCAA Placement: 3-1-1-1 Career Record: 136-3, 46 falls, 74.8% bonus rate Losses: Mike Letts, Nick Amuchastegui, Gabe Dean Finals Wins: Amuchastegui, Hamlin, Sheptock David Taylor NCAA Placement: 2-1-2-1 Career Record: 134-3, 53 falls, 91.2% bonus rate Losses: Bubba Jenkins, Kyle Dake (2x) Finals Wins: Hatchet, Caldwell Jason Nolf NCAA Placement: 2-1-1-1 Career Record: 117-3, 60 falls, 85.8% bonus rate Losses: Isaiah Martinez (2x), John Van Brill Finals Wins: Lavallee, Hidlay, Berger Zain Retherford NCAA Placement: 5-1-1-1 Career Record: 126-3, 53 falls, 73.6% bonus rate Losses: Logan Stieber (2x), Mitchell Port Finals Wins: Sorenson, Mayes, Perry IMO, Nickal has the best wins of the group (his 3 finals' opponents were all very elite). Taylor was the most dominant and faced the toughest single opponent (Dake). Retherford has the most perfect seasons (and all of his losses came as a true freshman) and owns the best single win (Stieber). These 3 are also the ones with a Hodge trophy, and I would rank them in some order of 1-3. I would then put Nolf and Ruth at some order of 4-5.
  4. For further reading and to hear from Rohskopf, himself: https://www.mmafighting.com/2020/6/24/21301297/max-rohskopf-breaks-silence-on-ufc-on-espn-11-decision-to-call-fight-on-stool I'm having a hard time understanding how there are posters here criticizing Max's decision to throw in the towel. He was competitive in the first round then completely outclassed across all three judges' scorecards in the second round, 10-8. Does this mean he had already lost the fight? Of course, not. But the round apparently killed his self-confidence in that match. If a fighter says they're done, then they're done. I'm not sure how one can rationalize it's better to go out in the cage and take more damage. This isn't wrestling. He isn't risking just being controlled on his own back for a few moments; he's risking getting KTFO'd or submitted--and I assume most casual MMA fans have seen some gruesome KO's and submissions. From White's quote, I presume he wholeheartedly agrees. There's nothing wrong with calling it quits. I guess Max may have lost the supposed fanaticism from a lot of "tough" guy posters who would have rather seen Max continue to get pummeled for another 5 minutes. FYI, a 10-8 round is quite the beating. Max took the fight to compete. He was done competing. It takes a lot of humility to admit defeat. Kudos to Max for putting his pride aside. Live to fight another day or walk away from the sport completely. Both are fine options.
  5. The 2016 157 bracket is what comes to mind for me. IIRC, IMar and Nolf were 1-1 against each other and Gantt came in undefeated. Think the seeding committee went: 1. IMar (most recent h2h over nolf) 2. Gantt 3. Nolf If I had to guess, they’ll go with this for 165: 1. Marinelli 2. Griffith 3. Joseph If Griffith manages to get by both and remain undefeated, I’d say he should be a serious contender for OW of the tournament and the Hodge (although I think Lee and Moore would both have to lose for that to happen).
  6. This. How so? I'd love an explanation. Not every guy in the room is going to be a 4-year starter. If anything, this advertises one can get opportunities to start in duals--even if they are likely to be career backups to studs like Woods and Abas.
  7. According to this Buckeye wrestling tweet, Pletcher is now 9-0 against top-25 opponents with a +69 point differential. Impressive. Last year that would've perhaps been a 9 point differential.
  8. Pletcher just cooled down a red hot Moran. Ready for Pletcher vs. Lee
  9. It appears you've made up your mind and no legitimate points can sway you from your stance. Anyways, I'm glad you're supporting USA wrestling. And I am even more happy you are not making any of the coaching decisions.
  10. So what if they're not transferable? What happens if Snyder gets a serious injury in round 1? Then we have Bo and Zillmer try and get some ranking points for themselves. My points still stand. You're really upset and making a big deal over nothing. I can't fathom how this concept is remotely difficult for someone to grasp.
  11. Jeez. I already highlighted why Team USA would send multiple guys in the previous post. I suppose you just choose to ignore those points.
  12. Thanks for being a member, but I don't think you are seeing the big picture. Here's a scenario to ponder: imagine if Snyder were to get injured in his first match and proceeded to forfeit out of the tournament. If USA wrestling had sent 0 other 97kg wrestlers, we'd be out of luck on getting any ranking points. However, if USA wrestling sent an additional wrestler at 97kg (which we did in both Nickal and Zillmer), we'd still have ample opportunity to get ranking points. Hence, USA wrestling sent 3 guys to secure ranking points. You seem to be upset because you didn't get to see Nickal vs. Snyder in the repechage. Other than for your entertainment, it appears there wasn't much reason for that match to actually take place today. I've seen teammates forfeit to one another many times at the high school and college level. If Snyder were still with the Ohio RTC and had met Nickal, I'm guessing there's a good chance they would have wrestled. But that's not the case. I'd say your time and money would be wasted if our coaches were sending Snyder and Nickal to Rome to wrestle one another. The objective of this tournament was to secure ranking points. Sending multiple guys at each weight only increased our chances of meeting that objective. I suppose if two USA wrestlers are rivals or have unsettled business, they can have at it if they meet.
  13. Jeez. Some of you write as if you are personally sponsoring Bo (maybe you are, what do I know?), and he has personally offended you by forfeiting his match against Snyder. I personally did not see the point in the two meeting in the repechage. Why risk the injury? I'd assume the two likely know the outcome anyways--they've been training together as teammates for many weeks now. The objective of this tournament was to secure ranking points, and although we didn't get Gold, the object was partially achieved. If the objective was to see if Bo was better than Snyder, I don't think they'd have to go Rome to figure that one out.
  14. Not sure if he ever will, but of course he has a shot. As others have already mentioned, he’s a clear #4 right now—which makes him a contender. I believe his chances this year are MUCH better than they are next year. Assuming Suriano, Fix, and Micic come back to 133, I can see him dropping much further than #4 (also assuming DeSanto and Rivera return). Arujau probably bumps up next year too, and I also like him over RBY. 133 could be a ridiculous weight next season. By his senior year, I assume at least Fix and Arujau to be at his weight. RBY will probably be a 4x AA, but I would not pick him with very much confidence to win a title in the next 3 years.
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