GreatWhiteNorth

You may agree or may not agree, but mspart has a legitimate point. The question for me is 'what did the kid say?" - if he used unacceptable racist comments, then he will have learned that actions have consequences and I'm OK with the ref 's reaction. No room in today's world for racist BS, even from a kid. If he simply whined as kids tend to do, then the ref overreacted and should be punished accordingly. Either way, it just isn't that much to get worked up about. Most wrestlers at that age slap themselves that hard either warming up or after a win - if not harder. What goes on in a wrestling practice on a daily basis is way more physical. (Note that I'm taking this incident out of context. The ref may actually be a useless tool. All I'm commenting on is this specific match and the post match slap.)

Zain doesn't show up for his match, defaults out - his left knee may be more serious than we thought.

Zain = no show

Yianni looked sharp in win over Zain.

After watching the initial video, I saw another one from a different angle (tried to post a link to it, but I can't seem to find it anymore.) The 2nd perspective looks like Askren took a hit to the neck as much as to the head. In slo-mo, it looked even more brutal. I'm hoping Askren is OK.

There is a HUGE social stigma associated with wrestling singlets (onesies, leotards, etc.) Not among wrestlers, nor among wrestling coaches, nor wrestling super fans. If you are one of these three sets of people, your personal opinion about singlets doesn't really count - you're not the subject of this discussion. It exists with the people who are being introduced to the sport, and their first reaction to watching a match (because they don't know any better) is 'whoa - that guy's junk is showing' and then the laughs and belittlement of the sport follow. Yes - we understand the psychology behind it. People reject things they don't understand when there is an easy reason to reject it. No - poster from a few posts back - I'm not saying changing off of singlets will instantly create more fans. What I'm saying is that the potential casual fanbase for decades has had an 'easy out' of becoming a fan by either making fun of singlets or agreeing with those that make fun of them. These are potential casual fans who are friends with wrestlers, or maybe friends of friends, and who are turned away, at least to some degree, by it. This isn't rocket science. Imagine if the NBA players wore singlets with their junk outlined because it is comfortable and efficient and other players didn't get their hands caught up in jerseys and shorts, etc. Stop and give it some serious thought. How well do you think that would go over? And, more importantly, consider why. (Don't pre-pick a side - stop and consider it seriously first.)

Not fair. The legend that is KMF is legit, this poster is KMF 2.0 - and the difference is significant. Let's be fair and separate KMF 2.0 for these targeted attacks.

I've heard "Onesie", "leotard", etc. dozens of times. In groups of people, it generates a pretty good laugh and wrestling takes yet another unnecessary hit in the teeth. I realize this forum is the wrong audience - but, seriously, normal non-hardcore viewers do not like singlets! Especially with a guys' junk outlined in detail. It becomes a joke that all non-wrestlers get and keeps them just that much further away from becoming legitimate fans. How hard is it to realize this needs to change? As silly as it seems, it is really another barrier that keeps us from mainstream legitimacy.

So we're agreed then. Let's break this down into a simple bullet list: Proper practice attire = singlet underneath shorts and a t-shirt Proper competition attire = something other than the singlet we now have that leaves too little to the imagination I don't want to dig into details about which solution is best - I'm sure many are fine. Let's start with a change and keep evolving. I will note that this is absolutely 100% a problem with non-wrestler spectators, particularly women. They strongly dislike it. Wrestlers opinions may vary, but at least some of us would prefer something other than the singlet. Other concerns like cost, injuries, legacy, etc. are not significant enough to overwhelm the bigger issues.

I absolutely agree - I don't buy that you tested at 'genius' level several times. Not in a million years.

Makoev is tough... I don't think anyone should expect to beat him "handily"

Agreed. Just as Crash said above - 'innocent until proven guilty'. It's not just a commonly used phrase, it's our way of law. As facts come in, we'll be able to begin an intelligent conversation.

Take a look at the knee that did Pico in...

I believe we should switch from folkstyle to freestyle, and add an MMA style summer wrestling club sport that incorporates the elements of folkstyle that best apply to MMA. In other words, freestyle will become the HS and College attached sport with the ultimate path for the best to become World and Olympic champions. Club sport in the off season would be some variant of 'MMA wrestling' that purposely bills itself as a stepping stone to the MMA, with the ultimate path to make a lot of money as an MMA champ for the best. In my opinion, this would set the U.S. wrestlers up to be dominant in both.

Agreed... J Rob was. And now the current Minnesota staff is right there, too.