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  1. ugarte

    Bo Nickal to Wrestle Off for U23 Team at 92kg

    i am glad that bo is going 92 and not 86
  2. i will bow to the better knowledge of UWW officiating of literally everyone else on the forum but if that position isn't a takedown what the hell are we doing here? gilman had the leg but was bellied out and not even trying to improve his position while fix was entirely wrapped around him. i don't even have a rooting interest because neither of them went to cornell.
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    Final X - Lincoln

    Y v Z is not going to come down to the actual scoring - it will only be about application of challenge or review rules. i will leave it to the arbitrators from there and hope there' s a written ruling. wild that even if he wins the appeal he'll have to go 2-0 to make the team.
  4. yeah dake's flo interview implied that fargo was too soon i would expect it to be on or close to the last possible day, two weeks before worlds
  5. this is the only procedural argument in zain's favor that makes sense. it essentially means that it isn't a challenge question, it is an internal officials' review to correct a procedural error. and presumably if the officials make a change to the scoreboard, zain withdraws his brick on the last 10 seconds. if it's based on the corner failing to challenge in time? yes. i'm ok with that. the rule limiting the time to challenge and including a one-point penalty for losing a challenge is to minimize gamesmanship. it intentionally trades off some level of "perfection" for certainty and finality. yes, sometimes the result will be wrong. in this case, i think you're arguing for what i think is literally the wrong result on scoring the scramble! are you ok with confirming 2 for Zain if there was indisputable video evidence that it was Yianni's move that initiated Zain's exposure?
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    Askren advises Nickal should go U23

    i hope they did the math right - last year machiavello won US U23 and then wasn't eligible for worlds
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    The call

    people keep conflating "stoppage" and "challenge" and they are - under the rules - not the same thing. the rule is "throw the brick within 5 seconds of the score being posted." even if you interpret 5 as "five-ish"; you have to act quickly. it puts the officials on notice of your intent to challenge something. the wrestling continues until a natural stoppage, but you've preserved your right to make your case. this isn't part of the rule, more a guess about human nature, but It probably makes the ref more likely to whistle a stalemate to keep the clock from winding down since the time can't be recovered. "getting the scoring right" is literally not the only objective because if it were, you'd allow unlimited challenges. the rule is "pay attention and promptly challenge, because if you snooze you lose." based on the titan mercury post, assuming the mic is picking up everything that was said (and i don't pretend that it does, that's just the assumption for these purposes), i don't know how waiting 20 seconds to contemplate a challenge, then another 10 to throw the brick, is legit.
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    Askren advises Nickal should go U23

    they can challenge at whatever weight they can make. not sure why nickal would go to 86 to challenge dean instead of staying at 92 to take on woodley. if yianni loses his appeal, i wonder if he goes after eierman's spot. i haven't heard anything about Steveson challenging Kirkvleit either.
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    The call

    the only way it makes sense is if the review is being done on the initiative of the panel, not zain's corner. if the officials have to confer to resolve a dispute, but the fight should continue until the ref believes a stoppage in the normal flow of the match is appropriate, then i guess this is how that would play out for better or worse. whether that means that zain should have been penalized for a failed challenge of a no-call on in the final seconds becomes a separate question, because that would make it 7-6 yianni (though of course if the refs change the scoring at :55, zain's corner would withdraw the brick).
  10. nevermind - i see what you're saying but i'd have to rewatch to see the Zain TDs in the first match that you thought were bogus. Nobody else - including Yianni - seems to be contesting that scoring, though.
  11. I guess that's right - he probably could have used the NCAA championship to chose his WTT weight class regardless of the US Open finish. That said, Nickal was at BtS, watching from matside. I think he knew as well as anyone else that Taylor was going to need surgery and wouldn't be at Final X. I hoped for the best but expected the worst.
  12. At the time of the US Open, Taylor wasn't hurt! He got hurt at Beat the Streets, after Nickal chose to wrestle the US Open in Cox's weight class. Why would Nickal have been allowed to challenge Downey when they each won different weight classes at the US Open?
  13. no idea why he'd prefer j'den to DT tbh
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    Askren advises Nickal should go U23

    yes, thanks.
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    Askren advises Nickal should go U23

    yes. that's why they didn't confirm all U23 winners - eligible wrestlers who lose at Final X can challenge the U23 winners. Yianni, Fix and Deakin are all potential challengers too (and I may be leaving someone out).
  16. Dake and Taylor had a deadline to announce that they wanted to postpone. Complaining that they didn't announce earlier than the deadline is ridiculous. Everyone who needed to know, knew when the deadline was.
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    The call

    i just want a formal explanation. if the answer is that a post-stoppage officials' conference was required, since the judges did not properly agree (rather than acknowledging a late brick) that's probably a satisfactory answer that will leave me disappointed. an error on the scoreboard sucks, but ... as Ian Miller knows, sometimes life sucks. I don't want to be on the wrong side of a situation like that but if that's what it is, that's what it is. An in-match scoring (or score-posting) error is bad luck for Yianni; accepting an out-of-time challenge is something that can and should be subject to protest.
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    The call

    This is also basically where I come out. The call on the mat was at best too favorable to Zain, the call on review was worse, but accepting the challenge at all was the real error. I still don't expect the protest to succeed but think it should. Gimme round 3. Just like I said re: OT vs McKenna, in the immortal words of Rasheed Wallace, Ball Don't Lie and the third match will be the fates explaining the right call in the second.* *Don't take this literally. But literally give us a third match.
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    The call

    this is the right answer - zain has yianni's right leg on a shelf, but zain's left hand comes free and yianni senses the new leverage and makes his move off of his own left leg and chest wrap. zain doesn't push off at all, his feet start scrambling and he tries to find the mat to brace against the throw and goes stiff during the throw.
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    The Yianni Challenge

    I agree with NJDan on the UWW rule; even with the interpretive guideline, 45 seconds and after the final whistle is not a reasonable extension of the 5 second challenge rule. As for the call, I don't really know about Zain's 2 but I know damn well about Yianni's. Zain doesn't push off of Yianni - his left hand loses it's grip, and his left foot is flailing, not planting - Yianni is the one torquing Zain over. Someone made a joke about people who think you can tell something from their eyes but, man... you can tell by Zain's eyes that he knows he's getting tossed. That call is almost certainly not reviewable again, though - it just annoys me.
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    2019/2020 NCAA Rule Proposals

    I worry less about seeding than about conference AQ allocations and at-large bids. Both of those are driven by formulas that factor in win% and MFFs would be a killer. It's bad for real injuries, and it's even bad when it's just a coach's choice to bail. As much as I'm sure that it's cool to finish in 3rd place at the Mat-Town Open, if your coach has decided that 4 matches is enough for a day in November, that shouldn't be held against the wrestler when he's told to skip the consolation final.
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    mekhi was a lower seed obviously but still ... nobody offered foster or dean. the bracket-busting final wouldn't have helped anyone on the thread.
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    2020 NCAA Team Title

    Pretty sure that if Yianni takes a year off from school he can stretch out his eligibility to five years. If he stays enrolled, he can't. Ivy guys sometimes take a semester off to postpone completing their credits and graduating since the Ivies don't allow grad students to compete either. Yianni said something about switching to freestyle practice at the post-match press conference but didn't say that he was going to take a redshirt for it. As for the projected Cornell middle weights, Furnas has graduated but Santoro and Berreyesa have not and Stroker should be back from injury. Richard and Schoenherr and maybe Colton Yapoujian will also compete to start. As someone else said, Womack is likely the starter at 174. AFAIK nobody knows who is greyshirting.
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    Your "State's" Team at NCAA's

    i don't follow high school at all so all i know about NY is the cornell guys: honis, vito and yianni, which is a good start