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  1. whaletail

    Koll on the Arbitration

    Listening to FRL yesterday, Koll apparently wasn't exaggerating when he claimed USAW's star witness made their case for them! Seems USAW flew the head UWW official over to the states, and put him on the stand without bothering to confirm his position. Supposedly, when asked something to the effect of, "Would you have accepted Zain's challenge?", he basically said, "Of course not." After he made their case for them, plaintiffs chose not to cross. I assumed Koll was embellishing at least a bit, but he may have actually undersold the impact, and it's worth noting that law school students don't make that kind of mistake in 2nd year mock trials. If tbert can acquire standing, he should sue the USAW lawyers for malpractice.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    79 is such an awful weight, I honestly think he'd probably win gold, and without much difficulty, wrestling just as he did on Saturday. Naturally, I assume he'd actually get some attacks in, so it wouldn't look the same, but I don't think he would've had to make any adjustments. At 86 next summer, however, I doubt he'll fare as well. I'm not in the DT pins him camp, but I don't seeing Dieringer beating him or Cox. Cox is at least as difficult to score on as Dake, and Taylor's offense more than makes up for any defensive holes.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    Agreed. Even if Downey somehow medals, Taylor would much rather have him waiting in the Trials finals than Ringer, or even Bo, etc. Very well played by DT, but in my view, no different than Dake exploiting the delay process as much as he did.
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    Repechage

    Is that really fair though? I guess random draw (after 4 seeds, at least) is technically fair, but when one side of the bracket is disproportionately stacked, and especially when two top guys meet early, some wrestlers are arbitrarily advantaged, and vice versa. I'm sure neither pool play nor double elimination line brackets (both with full field seeding) are perfect tournament systems, but both seem fairer, and likelier to put the top wrestlers on the podium, than the current repechage system.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    He gets a bye to the semis, but in situations where you have two top guys at a weight, disadvantaging one of them doesn't make sense. Especially if you're looking for the best rep, but neither if you're rewarding past performance. I understand what you mean about the 11 pounds, but assuming diminished performance, or even the possibly of that seems unnecessarily speculative, and in Dake's case, a complete non-issue. Nor am I sure how USAW's happiness about qualifying the weight is relevant. Even if the bye is partially a reward, I've always understood it to be mostly about sending the best rep, and forcing Dake to go through Imar the same day will probably diminish his performance against JB. Shouldn't both be at their best? I'm probably going to start a thread about this, as I'm interested in the community's thoughts, and I'm sure there aspects I haven't thought about.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    Dake's almost certainly dropping to 74 next year, and if he hadn't been injured last December, might well have gone down this year. Although he'd obviously have had to beat JB first, a medal would have advanced him to the Trials final next year, which would have been a huge advantage. Regardless, I think it's pretty obvious he can beat JB next year; whether he will is another matter entirely. A medal this year will at least advance him automatically to the Trials semis, where he'll probably have to beat Imar to meet a fresh, rested JB in the finals. Although I support protecting medalists conceptually, if both JB and Dake medal as expected, I think they should both be advanced to the semis (obviously on opposite sides of the bracket), with neither given a further advantage. Imagine the controversy if Dake wins his second gold, but JB only wins bronze, yet still sits in the Trials finals. Of course. JB's 2019 Worlds bracket will be significantly more competitive than Dake's, but protecting a bronze medalist over a World Champion doesn't seem reasonable. I'm actually pretty surprised USAW didn't foresee that potential outcome, and revise the rules accordingly.
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    Dake-Dieringer live thread

    Other than an absurd opening sentence, and an asinine last one, I agree. The repechage, and random draw systems, as well their underlying rationale, contravene the spirit of competition. Although I prefer pool play tourneys, true double elimination line brackets are nearly as effective. At least they're currently seeding the top four, I guess.
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    Dake-Dieringer live thread

    I think he thought the argument for more reps had something to do with increased medal counts (e.g. Dake & Dieringer could both medal), but for me at least, it's all to do with the wrestling quality. I'm sure many will disagree, but if the top 5 guys at a given weight all come from Iran and Russia, I'd rather they all compete, even if it costs our rep a (less meaningful) bronze. If that means we lose the team race, I'm fine with that as well. I've always viewed wrestling as foremost an individual sport, and don't really pay attention to medal counts. That said, I almost always* root for US reps individually. Not because they're from the US, but because I've usually followed their careers since college, if not earlier. * the exception being someone like Micic, who's long been a favorite of mine. I'll cheer for Daton against anyone else, but if they meet, I'm hoping Micic pulls it out.
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    Bad Look For Wrestling

    Have you heard this or are you speculating? Personally, I'd be surprised if anyone outside the wrestling community was ever aware of the arbitration at all, and those within formed their own opinions on the matter weeks ago. I'm much more concerned that the new precedent will result in myriad 7 & 8 second challenges taken to arbitration by both parties, and table workers will have to start timers subsequent every score. I think you need a hard limit to enforce timely challenges, but there are so many variables surrounding the timing itself, let alone issues like revised scores, etc., that controversy is inevitable. Hopefully, the costs associated with arbitration will preclude the vast majority of appeals, but it could become a problem.
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    Bad Look For Wrestling

    What do you consider a wrestling person? Mitten was apparently at least a decent high school wrestler in Ohio, and from what I understand, has written about arbitration within the sport in multiple law review articles and books. He's certainly familiar with the sport, and from all accounts, his review and ruling were comprehensive (and, in my opinion at least, the latter was also correct).
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    Dake-Dieringer live thread

    Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm fine with that. Especially as it would likely be a slight decrease. Honestly, I really don't like awarding double bronzes, and wish they still used pools. As much as I enjoy the intensity, and importance, associated with Final X and the Olympic Trials, I want to see the best in the world compete, and in a few cases, that means more than one rep at some weights.
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    Dake-Dieringer live thread

    +1000000 I've never understood the argument for 1 country, 1 rep.
  13. I thought I heard the Open was in December, or some other crazy early month.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    I thought he definitely looked bigger, and maybe even stronger in a few positions. Unfortunately for him, none of them ended up mattering.
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    Ringer had absolutely zero for Dake

    Had he shot that recklessly early, Dake might have teched him with crackdown crotch lifts and other counters. Although I agree he needed to wrestle much more offensively, he may not have had the tools to do so effectively. Or maybe he was just gunshy due the spotlight etc. I think he was also unprepared for Dake's major adjustments, notably his underhook reliant offense/defense and renewed footwork. With all that in mind, I'm not really sure how to evaluate his performance (beyond that it obviously wasn't enough). I'm sure he can effectively adjust to the underhooks, and maybe at least some aspects of the footwork, but Dake will continue making adjustments as well.
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