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  1. Coach, There is no wording on many things in that occur in matches, but mechanics and common sense need to take over at that point. Wrestler A is DQ's for FMC, he is ejected and no longer part of the event. Now, this is my practice and opinion, but Wrestler A has no more obligation except to get out of the building. In fact, I send Wrestler A directly to his coach and do not allow him to participate in the end of match procedure. This situation comes up every year in our referee meetings. I always bring up my procedure. From most of the referees they understand and agree with the idea. A few always want to "force" the handshake situation to prove they are in control of the match and wrestlers. Reach out to your local and state rules interpreters so that they can look into and address this issue, or at the very least give you a logical reason why they want a wrestler who was just ejected to be face to face with a wrestler he/she just violated in the most egregious manner.
  2. The Jadidi and Douglas match was before those set criteria were created. The escapes were so subjective FILA worked to refine and define what an escape needed to be over the years. By the end of the escape era, it was so tedious they decided to do away with it altogether.
  3. One of the reasons that wrestling was almost kicked out of the Olympics is that it had created rules to prevent scoring. The IOC wanted to see more points on the scoreboard. The multiple lace rule, when it was in place, was created to eliminate an advantage by a few wrestlers, but hurt the scoring overall. The multiple gut rule, when it was in place, was also to eliminate an advantage by a few, but hurt the overall scoring. So, the leg lace and gut wrenches were not illegal move, so why restrict potential scoring attempts? The IOC wanted more scoring, and everything that UWW has done is an effort to create more scoring and eliminate the blocking out / locking up with no attempt / keep my opponent from scoring defensive actions.
  4. It was too subjective / tedious a rule. All of the following had to be met for an escape to be awarded. 1. All action had to be started from the bottom wrestler. 2. The bottom wrestler had to be on his belly to start, then stand up on his own power to get to his feet. 3. The bottom wrestler had to break the hands of the top wrestler (so if the top wrestler was not locked up, no escape could occur. (Often times the top wrestler would just let go completely and shove the bottom wrestler away which negated the escape.) 4. The bottom wrestler had to turn and face his opponent immediately and stay in close proximity. (Most USA folkstyle escapes you create distance to get a chance to reset. This would automatically negate the escape in FS and GR.) 5. The bottom wrestler had to immediately advance on / attack his opponent.
  5. Well, what in the heck am I supposed to eat during the breaks at the Olympic Trials if there is no Taco Bell?
  6. In 2016, the weights in which we had already qualified the spot, we sent our top wrestler to the Pan Am Championships. We didn't have a competitor in the Qualifier since we already earned the spot. So, 74kg was already qualified, so Burroughs wrestled the first week in the Pan Am Championships. No one wrestled the following week at the Qualifier. For weights in which we didn't have the spot qualified, a back up wrestled the the Championships. This then qualified a spot for the Qualifier. Out best wrestler competed in the Qualifier. At 125, we were not qualified. Bradley wrestled at the Championships. Dlagnev wrestled at the Qualifier.
  7. Texas has the Texas Outlaw at Allen High School and the Cy-Fair Invitational in Cypress at the Berry Center. Unfortunately they are usually the same weekend.
  8. You are correct that Nick K is one of the best FS/GR refs in our country. But it wasn't Nick K of California reffing this match, it was Peter K of Minnesota. He still nailed the call.
  9. Agreed, with Yianni's left hand posted on the mat which makes it a takedown in FS. With two seconds on the clock, Yianni is also clearly on his left knee, his right leg is secured, McKenna's left arm ha secured Yianni's left hip.
  10. The clocks were synched. The event was scored with Flo on the computers connected directly to TVs and monitors for the scoring displays.
  11. I just watched both matches very closely. Lazor vs Molinaro, on all but 1 of the turns, Molinaro got back to both knees touching the mat and left hand touching the mat. This enough for a fresh start and new turn. The second turn was white paddles because he didn't get to both knees. Molinaro vs Eirman, Eirman never got hips facing down, never got back to both knees, never got back to a fresh start position, so only the initial turn scores. The two referees I see in the match vs Lazor are both International level referees with their UWW licenses. The jury member who goes out to talk to the coach before they review the challenge is one of the top officials for education and rulings in our organization and is a high level UWW official. The referee who gave the final ruling is an Olympic referee and one of the best referees in the world at this time. Now, after all that, go back and look at the matches from a perspective of neutrality. As officials we hone in on the slightest subtleties such as the ones I described above. The crew vs Lazor did white paddle the second turn attempt because Molinaro did not get back to a base and fresh start. The fairly evaluated each turn attempt based on their individual merits. They were different turns.
  12. Above is a great example of why weight classes do not need to be reduced. Let us all remember that wrestling first and foremost is an individual sport. My high school team was ranked in the top 10 in the state my senior year. We made it to the state semi-finals in the duals series, which was nice. But people remember the 2 individual place-winners we had on that team much more than the dual team. Also, at the state tournament, most of our team laid an egg. There was 1 team that had 1 qualifier who won state. They placed higher than us in the team race. For the most part, other than their team and our team, no one remembers or cares. What we all remember was his individual state championship and our two state place-winners. Team points were put in place so that schools could try to fill trophy cases. The origin and heart of our great sport is individual competition. Your teammate cannot help you when you are on the mat. We have gotten so hung up on dual meet scores, tournament scores, and forfeits. Don't reduce opportunities for wrestlers at schools that fill a full lineup because other schools are not capable of finding 14 kids in 14 weight classes.
  13. The key word is when "voting" on seeds. So, those that placed at the Open this past year will get priority seeding. When they get down to a tie / disagreement, the information above will come in play.
  14. This is a new Division 1 program that started this year in Little Rock, Arkansas. It was initially reported as the University of Arkansas Little Rock, but they are rebranding all sports as Little Rock Trojans Wrestling, etc. They are in the PAC 12 for wrestling only.
  15. My sophomore year of high school, we went to a dual meet tournament. It was a novel concept in TN back in 1997. I had to wrestle four matches that day. Based on event sizes of previous tournaments and/or my ability to advance or lack of ability to advance in tournaments, I had never wrestled that many matches in a day. Well, by the end of the fourth match, all of which went the distance, I felt like I was going to kill over. I can definitely see a safety factor in more than 5 matches in a day.
  16. Yes, the article had the United World Wrestling kick Flo to the curb. Flo had the UWW contract for the foreseeable future for the world level events except the Olympics. After they broke their investigative story, UWW told them to kick rocks. UWW is managed by mostly former referees, so they definitely took issue with Flo's article. Flo wants to be everything to wrestling, a promoter, an event organizer, an event management system, investigative journalism, trying to tear down the system. Well, they bit the hand that fed them and were told to take a hike.
  17. The easiest thing to do is for people to simply add those 4 points and declare Dean the winner. Well, if those points are awarded and the score changes at that moment in the match, the strategy for the rest of the match changes. I am not pro-Dean nor pro-Nickal on this call. It is not as simple as adding points. There is another minute of wrestling that would be have been wrestled with a different strategy by both competitors.
  18. I am displeased, and reminded just now watching a video on FloGrappling, that I have to sit through a commercial before I can watch the video. Didn't I pay for this service? Why should I have to watch a commercial to see content. The numerous Rocket Mortgage commercials during Beat the Streets were so annoying.
  19. Flo has just announced the newest member to their announcing team, via Imgflip Meme Generator
  20. Well, that MatTalk Online logo is real snazzy.
  21. The rest of the countries would believe it to be unfair. Let's just say the returning World Champion from a country that objects to wrestling Israel draws an Israeli in the early rounds. Well, the rest of the competitors believe this is a good draw because that wrestler will be eliminated which increases their chances of being World Champion.
  22. Unfortunately they still rely on the host site's internet to stream their events. So, the speed of the internet is the fault of the host building. The desire to use the host site's internet instead of investing in satellite internet trucks is Flo's fault.
  23. Well, the re-drawn idea wasn't going to happen. UWW hates the politics that Iran and Lebanon play on the mat. For the sake of fair competitions, I am just glad that Abounader had not beaten any prior competitors that were counting on him to pull them to the repechage. That happened in 2013 at Junior Worlds in the semi-finals. UWW disqualified the athlete from Iran for not competing and didn't allow him to compete in the 3rd place match. Also, the 2 wrestlers he had defeated were eliminated from repechage.
  24. Wrestlers can request that their opponent be wiped down, but it will be denied. Wrestlers are obligated to show up at the mat not sweaty and return from the 30 second break not sweaty. Other than that, their sweat is part of match.
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