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  1. Here’s the kicker on that... the refs report says he stopped the match because of an “apparent bite” that he didn’t see. He called it after looking at the kids arm because there were upper and lower marks on the kids arm. Put your arm in your open mouth for 6-7 seconds pull back as hard as you can ( the kid was positioned on top, my son was belly down on the mat) and tell me if you have upper and lower teethmarks.
  2. I don’t want to go into too much detail because without you actually seeing the photos, video, etc. it will seem like I’m being biased as the parent. They said the kid’s reaction when the ref blew the whistle indicated biting. He shook his arm once after one of his teammates yelled “he’s biting!” (caught on video from the angle the video was shot) and the ref stopped the match. We had the video slowed down and zoomed in. You can see the boys arm actually go into my son’s open mouth and then he proceeds to pull up and back. The opposing coach’s letter even states that his wrestler drove a hard crossface into his open mouth. I don’t know about you but I’ve been bitten before and shaking it off was not my response. They also said that the photo I submitted was taken 3 hours later so it wasn’t admissible. No bruising, broken skin that you would expect with an actual bite. They didn’t mention the opposing coach’s letter. Didn’t even acknowledge it. I have read so much these last few weeks, but I did read somewhere that if a bite is called a ref should be sure that it was with malice and intent. I could go on and on but it won’t do any good. He’s already served his time. It’s somewhat therapeutic to talk about it though.
  3. @Lurker I know you are frustrated that I keep bringing up the illegal maneuver, but it’s part of the whole picture. It’s really hard to watch on the video as my kid is struggling to get the kid’s arm from out of his mouth. The FHSAA used the video against us instead of for us. The reason I didn’t start this original thread with a biting call was because I knew it would be a hot topic of debate when I’m really just looking for friendly advice, which you have provided. There are multiple parts to the incident in question.
  4. The suspension is up this weekend. Due to the FHSAA office being closed for almost 3 weeks for the holidays and their time constraints on requesting a sectional appeals committee what I will be fighting for is future wrestlers who encounter this unfortunate incident. I am seriously considering a civil suit based on the fact that this is his junior year, a time when he should be getting noticed for college scholarship opportunities. They can’t treat every infraction the same without taking solid evidence into consideration... well they can, and they did, but I will make it my goal to make sure it changes from here on out. Maybe a non-profit who represents athletes and parents who have no where to turn but forums for advice.
  5. “Biting” is level 2. In this case they ruled teethmarks as biting even though it was an open mouthed crossface as stated in the refs original report and the opposing coaches letter that was written on my son’s behalf.
  6. I did bring that up to the executive directors assistant, Justin Harrison. There is no mention of 8 points, just 8 interscholastic contests. They came back with 8 points when questioned. I said it before - they say what they want when they want. The school is terrified of going up against them because they are afraid they will get their membership revoked. I tried to screenshot emails to attach but the files are too big so I can’t post them. Interscholastic contest is defined as a competition between two schools. If we have 8 matches between different schools in his weight class during a duel tournament that would be time served. But, this is a whole different subject than my original post. This is why I’m so frustrated. There are so many inconsistencies. No clarification of the punishment, no call on an illegal maneuver that could have prevented this whole mess and no due process based on the evidence provided.
  7. Yes, changed this year. From my understanding they used to suspend by weeks based on football, soccer, etc. In the original email they said “suspended for 8 contests” when we tried to get clarification What 8 contests meant (events, matches, weigh-ins?) they came back saying 8 points. The whole ordeal has been very frustrating.
  8. Level 2 suspension is 8-10 points. Points are as follows per the FHSAA wrestling rules guide. 4.18.1.1.14 Season Limitations. 20 Points, 2 of which may only be single dual meets. using the following criteria: • Dual Meet -1 Point • Tri- meet – 2 Points • Quad meet – 2 Points • 1 Day tournament, Dual or IBT- 2 Points • 2 Day tournament, Dual or IBT- 2 Points He has been out four weeks. Can’t get in front of an appeals committee until February. Suspension will be completed on January 17th. We originally thought that 8 interscholastic contests would be considered 8 matches but when they came back with 8 points that equals almost 30 matches including the day he was DQ’d.
  9. I do. It has been very helpful. Thank you to you and everyone who has taken the time to comment. I will update once I find out more information.
  10. I just think they need to review a call this serious on a case-by-case basis if a kid is going to miss close to 30 matches. The suspension for biting is flagrant misconduct. Period. They don’t take into account the situation, maneuver or severity. If it was an actual malicious bite, then yes 8 points is definitely warranted maybe even the remainder of the season. When it’s something like an open mouth crossface I think they should look at all the evidence which they didn’t. Believe me, the most important characteristic I think a person can possess is accountability and I teach my kids this everyday. I’m not saying there weren’t teeth marks after the initial crossface. Put your forearm over your open mouth and pull back as hard as you can for 6-7 seconds and I think you will find teeth imprints. The rule needs clarification. This whole situation has been so frustrating as a parent. There really is no where to find answers unless you read the bylaws, rules, etc. I thought I could at least get some answers from unbiased people on this forum. Knowledge is power. Thank you for your input.
  11. A one day duel only counts as 1 point. The initial incident was the second day of a tournament, 1st match of the day. He is 145 it’s a stacked weight class in our district.
  12. @Lurker 4 matches at the duel today so that will be closer to 30 matches missed.
  13. Exactly! Flawed system. If a call as severe as biting is made, the ref should be required to take photos and document the injury. I took a photo of the other wrestlers arm but it was 3 hours later (unfortunately, I wasn’t there when it happened and didn’t think to do it until I spoke with the opposing coach who said he thought it was an unfortunate call and that he didn’t think it was an intentional bite). We have never encountered anything like this before so we didn’t really know what to do. There was no broken skin, no individual teeth marks, just a small red line that looked like the tooth had scraped the arm due to forced motion. Never in a million years did I ever think he would be suspended for 8 points, totaling over 25 matches.
  14. As stated in my previous post, we submitted a letter from the opposing coach and athlete stating that they don’t feel that the teeth marks were an intentional bite, along with photos and video showing the kid driving his arm into my son’s open mouth (preponderance of the evidence). We did follow procedure. The ref wrote up a report, the FHSAA issued a suspension, the next day our school filed a petition with the above mentioned evidence and the executive director’s assistant upheld the suspension. We then hired an attorney who requested, in behalf of the school, that the ED himself review the case. Now we are waiting for a sectional appeals hearing. The problem is, everyone shuts down for the holidays so there has been no rush by the FHSAA to resolve. Wrestling IS over the holidays so I guess we are just SOL. Bottom line is, they have some major flaws in their appeals process. I feel for the athletes who don’t have the means or knowledge to go up against the FHSAA. I was originally told by the school that after the petition there was nothing we could do- they weren’t even aware of a sectional appeals. We have a new athletic director and principal who haven’t had the pleasure of dealing with the FHSAA. The FHSAA governs the officials who call major violations, then an officer of the FHSAA rules on the petition issued by the school. It should be an independent party with no ties to officials. IMO it’s a major conflict of interest.
  15. I appreciate your response, and yes I’m aware of the situation where the FHSAA overruled a referee’s call- the attorney who represented that athlete is also representing my son. The sectional appeals committee apologized to the athlete who was found not guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct. Does that get back lost time? Lost opportunity? No. The executive director absolutely has the authority to view a petition before it reaches sectional appeals as stated in the by-laws AND preponderance of the evidence must be the deciding factor. He missed 5 matches the day the DQ was called which doesn’t count as a point, 8 matches at the next 2-day dual tournament 2 points, 1 match for a dual meet (1point), 8 matches at a 2-day dual (2 points), 1 match for a dual this evening (1 point) and at least 6 matches for a dual tournament this weekend (2points). If I’m not mistaken that is over 25 missed matches. The way that sectional appeals works- we would have to have requested a hearing by December 13th to be heard in January. The incident occurred December 14th so that puts his hearing out until February unless the school agrees to pay for an emergency appeal - if you can get one. The reason I went further than my initial question was because someone asked. My initial question was vague because I knew everyone would want to weigh in with their opinion.
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