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Nushy

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  1. We went in front of a sectional appeals with this. The refs report didn’t say it was a bite, he said it was an apparent bite with teethmarks. The FHSAA head office decided it was a bite based on the report filed. They didn’t even speak with the referee or discuss the incident with him. They just handed down an 8-point suspension. The school appealed and the FHSAA head office said they were upholding the sanction. The sectional appeals committee said they didn’t think it was intentional and that the refs report didn’t coincide with the video. For some reason they said they didn’t have the authority to remove the penalty from the record so they downgraded the infraction from a level two to a level one. Now we have to go in front of the board of directors to get it removed completely.
  2. Agreed. They didn’t take the time to look at everything thoroughly. The refs report is a big piece of the puzzle. Keep in mind we also submitted a letter from the opposing coach and athlete saying that they didn’t think the teethmarks were an intentional bite.
  3. These people have too much power and they abuse it. What are we teaching our kids if we don’t stand up to them? Let’s say something does happen where he’s actually at fault. They can take him out of wrestling indefinitely with that kind of infraction on his record. I’m advocating for my kid and won’t let it go. Hopefully, more people will stand up to them in the future.
  4. Here is a link to the match in slow motion and in regular speed. The ref is standing directly in front of them. At no point does the wrestler on top indicate that he’s being bitten as the report states. His head doesn’t move from the down position and he doesn’t show a reaction until the whistle is blown after someone in the audience yells “he’s biting”. The ref should have reset them for a potentially dangerous situation. The crossface wasn’t even a crossface. His forearm was covering the mouth while he was pulling back on the head. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU7a076-arCyyKTtuGhv0lw
  5. Put your forearm in your open mouth, pull back as hard as you can for 6 seconds and tell me what you see. I guarantee it won’t be one set of teeth marks. After hearing that the FHSAA didn’t even attempt to contact the referee after his report stating that it was an “apparent bite” makes me even more infuriated. The report didn’t say that it was a bite. It said there were uppers and lowers. He also said that the wrestler said “he’s biting me, he’s biting me” which he didn’t and can he seen in the video. You CAN hear a parent in the background shout “he’s biting, he’s biting”. The FHSAA completely failed here. I wonder how many innocent kids they do this to. Refs Report:
  6. Frustrating to say the least. The committee agreed that the referee made an error on the call and that his report didn't match up with what the video showed. They also agreed that the teeth marks on the boys arm were not intentional due to the fact that they had a letter from the opposing coach stating that neither he nor his wrestler felt that it was intentional due to the force of the open mouth crossface. We were asking for them to remove the unsportsmanlike conduct infraction from Brett's record but instead the reduced it from a level 2 to a level 1. If I'm not mistaken unsportsmanlike conduct as defined by the FHSAA is an act of malicious or hateful behavior. If there was no intent how is this unsportsmanlike? We will go in front of the board of directors next and hope that they have more understanding of the sport. The committee chair on the sectional appeals panel suggested that next time Brett "tap out" if he is in this situation. The leader of a committee who has the authority to determine an athletes fate doesn't even know the rules as it applies to a high school sport that she is ruling on? I know that I didn't do a very good job of explaining the original incident, so if you are interested I wrote my recount of events up to this point. My apologies in advance, it's about 4 pages long. fhsaa exp.pdf
  7. @Lurker we have an appeal date set for the 6th. I’ll let you know the outcome.
  8. Not complaining. Legitimate questions. I honestly don’t know who else to ask. I contacted the NFHS but their response was that they don’t interpret rules for parents. FHSAA answers are biased so the advice and opinions on this forum have been helpful.
  9. @Lurker I didn’t realize that the proper safety area wasn’t in place. I’ve been to other tournaments where the mats are quite close to the bleachers. This event was run by a private school and the gym was small. I’m just glad they didn’t run into a child.
  10. Completely off the original topic but here is the video. It’s fast so it helps to slow it down. January 23, 2020
  11. @gimpeltf do you know where I might find that information?
  12. @Lurker thanks for the info. You seem knowledgeable about wrestling rules. I know this is going to sound insane, and it is. This past weekend we were at a wrestling tournament. Two school’s (not ours) 185s were wrestling in the center of the mat when one of the kids got pissed, threw off his headgear, picked up the other wrestler and charged him into the bleachers. Fortunately, my husband was sitting where they landed and broke the kids fall. Unfortunately, my husband slammed his back so hard into the bleachers behind him that he fractured two vertebrae (he’s 6ft, 210lbs so you can imagine the impact) Do you know how far the edge of the wrestling mat is supposed to be away from spectators? btw, the wrestler who charged the other kid into the bleachers was allowed to finish the match without disqualification. No recourse at all. I can upload a link to YouTube if you are interested in seeing it. It’s pretty unbelievable. I can’t upload it here because the file is too large.
  13. @Lurker thank you for the dates. Unfortunately since the paperwork wasn’t submitted before the January deadline we will probably be looking at an appeaL hearing in March. His suspension has been served, but we are requesting a to be heard by a neutral panel and in the hopes of having the infraction removed from his record. I’m also planning on going to future board meetings to request that they clarify and amend the bite protocol in their bylaws. Not sure it will change anything but after our experience someone needs to speak up.
  14. @Lurker Still waiting on an appeals date. The school just submitted all the required documentation. Thanks for checking in.
  15. Here’s the kicker on that... the refs report says he stopped the match because of an “apparent bite” that he didn’t see. He called it after looking at the kids arm because there were upper and lower marks on the kids arm. Put your arm in your open mouth for 6-7 seconds pull back as hard as you can ( the kid was positioned on top, my son was belly down on the mat) and tell me if you have upper and lower teethmarks.
  16. I don’t want to go into too much detail because without you actually seeing the photos, video, etc. it will seem like I’m being biased as the parent. They said the kid’s reaction when the ref blew the whistle indicated biting. He shook his arm once after one of his teammates yelled “he’s biting!” (caught on video from the angle the video was shot) and the ref stopped the match. We had the video slowed down and zoomed in. You can see the boys arm actually go into my son’s open mouth and then he proceeds to pull up and back. The opposing coach’s letter even states that his wrestler drove a hard crossface into his open mouth. I don’t know about you but I’ve been bitten before and shaking it off was not my response. They also said that the photo I submitted was taken 3 hours later so it wasn’t admissible. No bruising, broken skin that you would expect with an actual bite. They didn’t mention the opposing coach’s letter. Didn’t even acknowledge it. I have read so much these last few weeks, but I did read somewhere that if a bite is called a ref should be sure that it was with malice and intent. I could go on and on but it won’t do any good. He’s already served his time. It’s somewhat therapeutic to talk about it though.
  17. @Lurker I know you are frustrated that I keep bringing up the illegal maneuver, but it’s part of the whole picture. It’s really hard to watch on the video as my kid is struggling to get the kid’s arm from out of his mouth. The FHSAA used the video against us instead of for us. The reason I didn’t start this original thread with a biting call was because I knew it would be a hot topic of debate when I’m really just looking for friendly advice, which you have provided. There are multiple parts to the incident in question.
  18. The suspension is up this weekend. Due to the FHSAA office being closed for almost 3 weeks for the holidays and their time constraints on requesting a sectional appeals committee what I will be fighting for is future wrestlers who encounter this unfortunate incident. I am seriously considering a civil suit based on the fact that this is his junior year, a time when he should be getting noticed for college scholarship opportunities. They can’t treat every infraction the same without taking solid evidence into consideration... well they can, and they did, but I will make it my goal to make sure it changes from here on out. Maybe a non-profit who represents athletes and parents who have no where to turn but forums for advice.
  19. “Biting” is level 2. In this case they ruled teethmarks as biting even though it was an open mouthed crossface as stated in the refs original report and the opposing coaches letter that was written on my son’s behalf.
  20. I did bring that up to the executive directors assistant, Justin Harrison. There is no mention of 8 points, just 8 interscholastic contests. They came back with 8 points when questioned. I said it before - they say what they want when they want. The school is terrified of going up against them because they are afraid they will get their membership revoked. I tried to screenshot emails to attach but the files are too big so I can’t post them. Interscholastic contest is defined as a competition between two schools. If we have 8 matches between different schools in his weight class during a duel tournament that would be time served. But, this is a whole different subject than my original post. This is why I’m so frustrated. There are so many inconsistencies. No clarification of the punishment, no call on an illegal maneuver that could have prevented this whole mess and no due process based on the evidence provided.
  21. Yes, changed this year. From my understanding they used to suspend by weeks based on football, soccer, etc. In the original email they said “suspended for 8 contests” when we tried to get clarification What 8 contests meant (events, matches, weigh-ins?) they came back saying 8 points. The whole ordeal has been very frustrating.
  22. Level 2 suspension is 8-10 points. Points are as follows per the FHSAA wrestling rules guide. 4.18.1.1.14 Season Limitations. 20 Points, 2 of which may only be single dual meets. using the following criteria: • Dual Meet -1 Point • Tri- meet – 2 Points • Quad meet – 2 Points • 1 Day tournament, Dual or IBT- 2 Points • 2 Day tournament, Dual or IBT- 2 Points He has been out four weeks. Can’t get in front of an appeals committee until February. Suspension will be completed on January 17th. We originally thought that 8 interscholastic contests would be considered 8 matches but when they came back with 8 points that equals almost 30 matches including the day he was DQ’d.
  23. I do. It has been very helpful. Thank you to you and everyone who has taken the time to comment. I will update once I find out more information.
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