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Posts posted by Force118

  1. 2 hours ago, Idaho said:

    That would be just a little bit of a weight difference and I am assuming your drug reference is to Lesnar.....

    More like

    Mocco vs Lesnar or a rematch of the finals..... Neal vs Lesnar

    Not anymore, Les Gutches is easily 240 and a competitive bodybuilder. Google him, unrecognizable. 



  2. 18 minutes ago, wrestlingzen said:

    Meaning: the majority of posts in this thread have been working very hard to develop a counter narrative to discredit anyone who is trying to engage in a meaningful dialogue about race in the wrestling community

    The thread is called “revisiting the racism, at team FoxCatcher.” A discussion about DuPont’s mental status is fair game when discussing the motives of his actions. Also, to acknowledge that perceived racism is not always indicative of a racist motive, is not a counter narrative. To make arguments in absolution and to assume every repudiation to your stance is a “narrative” is myopic and virtue signaling at its finest. Furthermore, it’s necessary to acknowledge context and not ignore the likelihood of misunderstandings especially outside of a forum, where lives and careers are at stake. Education and dialogue needs to supplant cancel culture. But I guess it’s easier to just sit back and throw stones, as if that makes any difference or benefits anyone.

  3. 1. DuPont was severely mentally ill. Clearly and unequivocally mentally ill. His mental illness undoubtedly contributed to his actions at FoxCatcher. To what extent, is up for debate. To mention this undeniable truth is not a defense for his actions but does provide context surrounding what happened. 

    2. DuPont may have been racist. As much as it’s popular to think, speak, and judge in absolutes, racism does exist on a spectrum.

    3. Racism is not a clinical mental illness and to suggest so, demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about mental illness and further stigmatizes those who suffer from legitimate mental illness by grouping them with racists.


  4. 1 minute ago, jchapman said:

    Maybe the Du Pont situation was nuanced?  I mean, it might technically meet a dictionary definition of racism, but may not share many traits of what we commonly think of as institutional racism.  They guy was delusional.  One day, he started believing  the color black was evil or bad.  It was horrible that it lead to the removal of black athletes, but it wasn’t born out of 200+ years systemic marginalization.

    We don’t do nuance here.

  5. 54 minutes ago, Cementmixer103 said:

    I don't know.

    I was an above average high school wrestler who did nothing at the college level and I trained with a young woman who was a several time national champ (multiple fargo,multiple college, has been on team USA several years now) and while she was pretty tough, it was never really close. 

    Maybe that's just one of those cases where you're not as good in practice as in a real match but she was definitely trying and definitely frustrated. 

    Not sure when you wrestled but as a whole women’s wrestling has come a long way in the past 10-15 years. One of the fundamental differences between gender performance isn’t just physiological differences but access. There are limited opportunities for woman to compete, train, and have access to the best coaches as compared to men. Therefore, they don’t develop as well. That has changed considerably. Just as wrestlers in Pennsylvania dominate the wrestling landscape-Not because they are special humans but because that’s where the best resources and participation tends to be.

    A cursory search of objective performance measures indicates the best women in track and swimming have times similar to average college men. Furthering that point it wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility if the USA women’s soccer team put a beating on Division 1 JV men’s teams. 

    If we look at combat sports, would it be so outrageous to suggest Amanda Nunes, Holly Holm, Valentina Shevchenko, or even prime Rhonda Rousey could beat up on a average male fighter in the regional circuit? Seems very possible to me. 

  6. 1 hour ago, nyum said:

    Lmao. You must be joking

    Laugh all you want but at the lighter weights the strength differences aren’t as apparent and you would be surprised at how technically sound and slick the female wrestlers have become. Several USAW coaches I know, believe the very best women could compete against men at the lighter weights-especially backups nobody has heard of.

  7. The HWC relies on marketing and donations for funding. It’s going to be especially hard now and probably not a good long term strategy to run off the best publicity available-winning; primarily only done by the HWC women. My guess, with the lack of wrestling on the schedule they decided the cost of supporting the HWC women outweighed the publicity (nothing to win right now).

    That coupled with a significant budgetary shortfall and the cost of the new facility, basically forced this move.
    Tom implied it was their choice. It would be like saying you aren’t going to pay someone any longer but they are welcome to come to work for free at any time. If they don’t, they “chose” to leave on their own. 

    Regardless, it’s perplexing to announce Glynn and Moody so soon. Major PR blunder. Besides, Ragan probably beats Glynn in the room.



  8. 24 minutes ago, Lurker said:

    28 days for the USA to go from 1 death to 1000.  Three days to go from 1000 to 1500.

    The doubling of total lost souls that has been happening every 5 days.....****'s about to get beyond real.

    Relax, we will be at 0 by Easter.....

  9. 1 hour ago, ionel said:

    Italy appears to have a much higher death rate than about anywhere else.  Perhaps due to older population, spend of response and lower quality & quantity of hospital facilities.  

    Italy has one of the best healthcare systems in the world. Which is one of the reasons they have such a high older population. Their healthcare system provides universal coverage and is largely free of charge. This means many elderly people with underlying conditions were able to live longer because of comprehensive care, but are more at risk of covid-19 complications. 
    Some experts believe the high Italy CFR as compared to places like Germany is their testing is primarily done only on the sickest of patients. 

  10. There is also a run on it nationwide and many of us need it for autoimmune conditions which it is known to work for. It’s now almost impossible to get. Maybe they should figure out if it actually works for covid-19 before hoarding it.

  11. Trying to suppress Covid-19 without testing in masse is like fighting a wildfire and not knowing where it’s at; everyone ends up getting wet. So yes, this is our only option until testing improves.

  12. 46 minutes ago, Peso said:

    I just finished watching "Wrestled Away, the Lee Kemp Story" on Amazon Prime.  If you grew up during that time, I think you will enjoy it.  I know I did.  I've met Mr Kemp once shortly after he came from behind at the buzzer to defeat my team mate Paul Martin in Stillwater.  It was the disco era so a few guys from the team took a couple of the badgers down to the local place to dance, after the dual.  I'm sure he wouldn't remember me, but I was one of the guys that pointed him toward the dance floor.  I finished the video believing what I had thought since my first time I saw him live and shook his hand and met him.  He is truly the kind of man that I believe we should all aspire to be.  The class and dignity he exhibits in this movie is subtle, but it sure didn't go past me.  I wrestled in his bracket at the 76 Olympic Trials in Cleveland.  I was not even close to a factor, but a guy named Joe Wells pummeled me to within an inch of my life and Joe was 4th at the weight, behind Dziedzic, Schalles and Kemp.   Lee and Jimmy Jackson were the two college champs from that year who finished in the top 4.  Kudos to you Mr Lee Kemp.  I've been around a lot of great wrestlers, and they are often, but not always great men too.  You sir are the Gold Standard as far as I'm concerned.  Lee if you read this I was the guy in Cleveland yelling "don't grab Schalles leg!"  If you were there, you would understand.  :--)

    Joe Wells was a really cool guy. Years after he retired, Joe would come by and beat on some of the studs in the room when he was in his 60s. He couldn’t move well so he would get in the Russian tie and kick their legs out. 

  13. 3 minutes ago, Tofurky said:

    Mike Zadick?

    How long does Donny Pritzlaff stay an assistant coach?

    Jon Reader?

    Scott Moore?

    Mike Zadick is one of those guys that would make a great head coach but is an absolutely terrible assistant. That’s just a general statement. 

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