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    19 hours ago, flyingcement said:

    To add to what others have already said.  I would change the outcome then with Courtney earning a decision over Medley 

    Flo wrote an article on December 29th titled "Why Nick Suriano's Debut Against ASU Is So Important" but they tweeted that he is not competing in the dual one day before. They included him in their hype video too. 

    They knew just like many of us did that he would not be competing. I mean, if I knew he was not going to compete, then they surely knew that the admissions process for second quarter would not be done before the dual.

    This type of stuff annoys me. I think they did something similar for the RTC duals and a ton of people the hyped for matchups did not show. I could be confused on the event, but this is not a new way they have misled. It is just like, just be honest

  2. Amine has an Olympic bronze medal and is getting zero respect here.

    Bo Nickal got spanked by Taylor just like Amine did. Amine cannot beat DT or Yazdani, but he has an OLYMPIC BRONZE MEDAL.

    Every American that everyone is trying to compare to Amine - Bo, Zahid, Ringer - I would say have an equal likelihood of medalling as Amine. Dean, Jackson, Hall, and Brooks would likely not compete as well as Amine at worlds.

  3. On 11/19/2021 at 2:50 PM, Jaroslav Hasek said:

    in the past, espn et al didn't care when schools made side deals for their non-rev sports. now they are shutting those down and forcing schools to leave money (and promotional partners) on the table

    this makes sense that the best NCAA wrestling Flo is streaming this year are the collegiate open tournaments. Given that access to the best dual meet content is off the table, Flo should look to create their own NCAA level events in the future. Whether it is a dual meet tournament with pools or their own open tournament. Maybe they could see if some high level high school kids want to come and make it prestigious for kids to get invited.

    While it is new format and needs to take place before we understand the model, what is going on with the Collegiate Wrestling Duals on rokfin is super interesting, whether you are a Flo guy or not. I want to know how well this works for the teams with skin in the game. Maybe Flo can pay teams to come to their events if teams can actually start to profit from the events they put on in the future.

  4. 21 hours ago, Jaroslav Hasek said:

    every major wrestling events gets covered extensively. promotion is entirely different and if we don't stream it, there most likely won't be a budget for it. its how it works for pretty much every media company.

    Do you plan to write articles about the Collegiate Wrestling Duals and let people know how to watch it? That is a major event imo.

    The exciting thing about Flo losing the conference streaming rights is that it will force them to be creative and come up with new types of events to get people excited and could potentially grow the professional aspects of the sport for our senior level atheltes.

  5. Just now, MSU158 said:

    I have no issue with anything you said, except at 141 and 174 you can't say that about Eierman and Kemerer without also including Lee and Starocci.  They both went 1-1 against their counterparts and the last wins were both in OT.  So, I don't see how you can say those things could happen to Eierman and Kemerer without saying the same thing about Lee and Starocci...

    That is a fair point and I agree. That is why I think Penn State has more downside than Iowa on their currently projected tournament team points(based on ranking). 

  6. Just now, MSU158 said:

    I have no issue with anything you said, except at 141 and 174 you can't say that about Eierman and Kemerer without also including Lee and Starocci.  They both went 1-1 against their counterparts and the last wins were both in OT.  So, I don't see how you can say those things could happen to Eierman and Kemerer without saying the same thing about Lee and Starocci...

    That is a fair point and I agree. That is why I think Penn State has more downside than Iowa on their currently projected tournament team points(based on ranking). 

  7. 141 - Eierman could easily lose in the consi semis considering there are 4 other top tier guys at the weight that could all beat one another(downside)

    149 I find it unlikely that Beau Bartlett outcompetes Murin at NCAAs, so the gap here widens for Iowa

    157 Young is a 6-8

    165 has plenty of people that can beat Marinelli but he is the best in the Big Ten so he will come to the NCAAs with a great seed, as always, but who knows what happens. Cannot wait to see him and Kharchla

    174 I am not sure Mekhi and Hidlay are not right there with Kemerer. He could totally not make the finals

    184 No AA for Iowa

    197 Warner is no doubt top 5

    HWT I thin Kerk is the future for the US. I think he gets 2nd

    With all that being said, I see plenty of downside for Iowa, but to make the argument that there is more downside on their tournament team points than Penn State is hard because they have 4 returning champs, so that will be hard to repeat so Penn State's likelihood of closing the gap seems small. I say Iowa takes it. 

  8. It is interesting to me that the Big Ten opted for Intermat rankings this year. Considering Flowrestling used to have a dual meets, rankings, and more coverage of the conference, they have been totally shut out. 

    I will say that at least these watch parties mean that they have to talk about events that are not on their platform. They used to pretend that if it did not stream on Flo, then it did not exist. They have lost streaming rights for enough important events to no longer be able to do that. I am curious to see if they start talking about the Collegiate Wrestling Duals. There is no mention of it on their website yet and like 7 of the top 10 teams will be there. Surely will not have a watch party for that event.

    I did not realize how weak their college schedule is this year. 

  9. On 10/23/2021 at 10:44 AM, ionel said:

    Pretty sure Big 12 has deal with ESPN, all the OSU home duals listed for at least the +.  Flo had their duals a few years ago till ESPN came in with complete coverage.  Guessing that may not apply for affiliates like Mizzu since they are SEC.  

    I did not now about Big 12 but I did watch ACC duals in ESPN+ last year. Is the Big 12 coverage new this year? I have never noticed it.

  10. Penn state is surprising to me and seems unlikely given the freestyle spots at NLWC. Gilman at 57kg and RBY at 61kg makes it hard for me to believe he would go there. Those are great training partners though and gives Penn State a great shot at 2022 NCAA team title. I can't see it lasting over a year.

    I want to see him at Ohio State(selfishly). Also, he could be there long term and get some of that Ohio Rudis money.

  11. If you are making your UFC debut, I think you get a 3 fight contract with an $8k to show and an additional $8k to win. Dana White is required to offer his fighters three fights per year. So that means you are guaranteed $24k and could make $48k if you go undefeated and accept 3 fights.

    It blows my mind that a college wrestler could make more than that. We all know the UFC underpays it's fighters, but the landscape for competitive pay with NIL is super interesting. Like is AJ Ferrari going to make more than a debuting UFC fighter? Obviously Gable Steveson is making more and this is the perfect example of why he should not go to the UFC right out of school.

    Just comparing what the UFC pays its fighters to what some of the best guys in college wrestling make through NIL is a very interesting lens to look through for me as the whole NIL thing matures.

  12. It might be hard for Howe and Kennedy to find jobs in the future. Their resignations come with baggage - deservingly or not, it just does. More and more schools will mandate this and we know what direction colleges lean on the political spectrum, but I am not trying to discuss that.

    To give up a job in Big Ten Wrestling is like retiring from basketball after making the NBA All Star Team. They sacrificed so much for this. It is wild to care more about not getting a vaccine than they care about coaching in the Big Ten. 

  13. I see inconsistency in the seeding criteria.

    It appears that 2019 results matter, but 2019 results do not matter if at a different weight than what you are competing at this weekend. 2020-2021 results matter at any weight. but they are not as important as 2019 results at the weight you are competing at this weekend.  This is the only logical way to interpret what happened in the seed meeting. 

    This explains why Downey is #13 and why Dieringer is #2 - Burroughs gets #1 because he had a medal in 2019 at a different weight. He should obviosuly be the #1, but I cannot explain with a cohesive criteria since Deakin got #3. I cannot explain Suriano at #3.

    I do not think I can come up with a consistent narrative to explain every weight. The reasoning above is the best I can come up with at the moment, unless someone else can shine some light on the situation for me.

  14. I'm not aware of any results, but I remember the announcement he was going Greco. In his come back for the Olympic year, he discussed quitting competition to get personal life in line and that he was just tired of competing, focused on coaching. 

    I am going to guess that he didn't do well if he did give it a go. I don't recall any crowning achievements, but I could be wrong. Happy to be wrong here. 

  15. On 8/26/2021 at 1:01 PM, nhs67 said:

    It did hurt his stance, but not severely.  Graff, while a multiple time D1 (2x-er), he never focused Greco immediately after college and as of the 2019 US Senior Nationals, he was already on the wrong side of 30.

    If you take Gabe Dean fresh out of college and have him focus on Greco, like it was reported he was going to do, I believe he succeeds within a couple years at a very high level.


    I am in agreement with the greco guys that you cannot start your greco career fresh out of college and expect to make the team. Honestly, it is disrespectful to the greco guys to even think that. Where would Dean have even found resources to train greco? Not at Cornell

  16. 21 hours ago, LJB said:

    uncle chael made some decent points throughout the discussion...


    what has been proven time and time again is that just being a really good college wrestler does nothing for you in greco trials against those who are serious about greco domestically...


    I think my point stands with your sentiment in that if we can get AA's serious about Greco by providing them an avenue to the trials, then maybe we can get a deeper pool of talent domestically in Greco. Most NCAA AA's have zero chance of winning a match at Freestyle WTT and they know it. Maybe that is true in Greco too. To be clear, I do not think if this were to be implemented that an AA would be on the team in the first year. I really do like the idea though. We need more domestic competition. I think this would help long term to just expand the participation in Greco.

    For example, not one D1 program comes to mind when I think about Greco. Our former Greco team members do not have D1 coaching jobs. I think the best thing we can do for Greco is get it inside these college programs. The RTCs have helped freestyle tremendously. Which RTC do you associate Greco with? For me, none come to mind. 

  17. 8 hours ago, spladle08 said:



    That's what I'm saying essentially.
    But maybe I sh*t on the style a little more than I should.
    Sh*t on it in saying it's hard to develop elite level habits on a leg attack style and also develop elite level habits in a completely different (not leg attacking) style.

    I stand by, the talent level is fine, the experience and developmental path is not


    We could force D1 coaches to put their athletes on a development path since they are qualified for WTT. We need Greco training at the top schools in the country. AA's qualified for Greco WTT is like a Trojan horse 

  18. 1 hour ago, LJB said:


    there is nothing wrong with greco...

    it is this country being scared of it...

    It seems your main point here is that coaches and wrestlers are scared of it. What better way to face that fear than to have wrestlers in 20-30 college rooms across the country qualified for Greco WTT. If none of them opt in for their spot, then we know they are scared and you would be right. 

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