Perry 1,428 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 I just don't think the us is that concerned with greco. Look at our fan base, how many people commented on our performance thus far? I bet the first day of fs gets 3x more discussion going than all the greco/women's competition to this point. Were we ever expected to do much I'm greco? I don't think so, but I think it's a snooze of a style and don't care to follow it. I expect things will pick up very shortly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrh 4 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 USA has not had a finalist in Junior Greco for 15 years (2000). Expectations should not have been very high. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Greco no care Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 586 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Sure, international freestyle is probably my favorite style too, but I'm starting to love Greco as well. Perhaps it's just the American Greco team that is boring. In the few matches that I saw at these Greco Jr World's, there were chock full of throws, armspins, headlocks, and other beautiful offensive and countering moves by many of the other countries. So for the last 15 years, the Americans can't seem to figure out how to join this party and hit these moves too? I guess we should expect no Jr Greco American finalists in the next 15 years as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckFor2 216 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Sure, international freestyle is probably my favorite style too, but I'm starting to love Greco as well. Perhaps it's just the American Greco team that is boring. In the few matches that I saw at these Greco Jr World's, there were chock full of throws, armspins, headlocks, and other beautiful offensive and countering moves by many of the other countries. So for the last 15 years, the Americans can't seem to figure out how to join this party and hit these moves too? I guess we should expect no Jr Greco American finalists in the next 15 years as well. unfortunately, you may be correct about the next 15 yrs. Greco is an afterthought in 98% of America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Greco just isn't a preferred style in the US. We don't have the numbers, the coaching, the mindset, etc. I thought in 1992 there would be a surge of greco success and we have had a few stellar individuals but not year in, year out consistency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 586 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Wow, according to Flo, McKenna didn't make weight. For that to happen at such a huge event, I'm guessing he has a brutal, brutal cut to make. Men's freestyle is off to a great start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,050 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 ruh-roh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tofurky 616 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 What's McKenna's projected weight class come college? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ERBPAC 9 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) McKenna weighed 60.0kg on one scale, 60.1 on the official weigh in scale. Gotta calibrate. Crappy situation for all involved. info per flo Edited August 14, 2015 by ERBPAC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,603 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 McKenna weighed 60.0kg on one scale, 60.1 on the official weigh in scale. Gotta calibrate. Crappy situation for all involved. info per floSure but if you know you are that close on a test scale and only get one official shot at making it then it seems worth any extra little thing you can do to drop that additional 0.1 that could be in flux between scales. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Un-f'ing acceptable Going to haunt him. Weight cutting sucks -- step on scale at side of mat. Get it done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 586 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 So close, yet so far. Has to be heartbreaking to cut that close and still not make it. Ironically, remember watching Flo's weigh in video from last year's Jr World's, and McKenna was quoted saying something like, "takes forever for the weigh in time to arrive". Turns out he probably needed 5 or 10 more minutes this year. Just speculating, I have no facts with his weight issue for this tournament. Maybe his body just wouldn't go down that far. I don't know. What I do know is how hard these guys work to make the team, and how hard they work to make their respective weight classes. Feel real bad for Joey. I'm sure he's devastated, especially if he was that close. Hopefully his teammates can pick him up a little, and put on a strong showing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 Idle curiosity, is Buxton on staff out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted August 14, 2015 unfortunately, you may be correct about the next 15 yrs. Greco is an afterthought in 98% of America. You think so, you think 2% of America cares about Greco? That comes out to about 7 M people. That doesn't seem so bad, actually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 Yeah I don't know you can blame him at all. He made it on the test scale and held the weight until it was time to weigh in on the official scale. Official scale said something different. There's no way anyone can blame McKenna for that. I have no empathy for those who miss weight, but if the equipment you're working with over there is not properly calibrated, that isn't the wrestler's fault. Carpy situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,635 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 i don't know how you can claim to not even comprehend the experience of missing weight, and not think you can blame him a little for stepping on the scale exactly on. But regardless I don't think anyone has to say anything about it, kid competes and travels non stop, which is much more of grind than just training, so i'm sure he's motivated and taking this as hard or harder than he should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 i don't know how you can claim to not even comprehend the experience of missing weight, and not think you can blame him a little for stepping on the scale exactly on. But regardless I don't think anyone has to say anything about it, kid competes and travels non stop, which is much more of grind than just training, so i'm sure he's motivated and taking this as hard or harder than he should. It goes back to my own days of cutting huge amounts. I didn't have the luxury of having weight to spare, I had to get right on weight and then hold it long enough to weigh in. I never missed, thus I don't tolerate those who do miss. But if they are going to weigh you in on a scale that reads differently than the one you're making weight on that they provide, it sort of eliminates the point of making weight. Now you have to be under the weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,200 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) If you want someone to be .1kg under that is the equivalent of being .25lbs under. When I was pulling hard I was barely under by .1lbs, let alone a quarter of a pound. With the scale being in kg, they have less chance to fluctuate between scales Edited August 15, 2015 by BobDole 2 GranbyTroll and Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leshismore 216 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 Any brackets anywhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jolugogar 7 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 Brackets are available on https://arena.unitedworldwrestling.org/weight-category/d1d34738-3ede-11e5-9fca-0800275a62ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Bob, good point. Are the scales only to 1 decimal? If so, a bit trickier to calibrate. And coaches should know the situation and proper guidance should be given .... And acted on. Is it true there is only one shot given? Regarding numbers, conversion is .22 pounds. If one decimal and standard rounding procedures, he could have been 0.109 pounds over and still made it. Just aiming for clarity. I get the issue of the scales not matching. Edited August 15, 2015 by nom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 I'd be surprised if they round like that. I tried to look up how they round but got unclear info. Postal scales round up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leshismore 216 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 Brackets are available on https://arena.unitedworldwrestling.org/weight-category/d1d34738-3ede-11e5-9fca-0800275a62ce Thank you very much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OKnowwhut 59 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) I can't believe the counter I just saw ...Hall is one hall of a wrestler! Edited August 15, 2015 by OKnowwhut Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
