wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Title says it all. If techs were 20 points, the results would've been no different at Junior Worlds. He has come as close to perfecting the technique as anyone I've seen since Smith. If Smith could coach him for one month, he'd get that lace to a perfect 10. Beautiful transitions from TD to lace. Lethal. The senior guys should watch Lee's lace and take notes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fullnelson 130 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Actually Zeke had the best lace in his day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,229 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Spencer Lee has been to enough OTC camps to probably have worked with Johnny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Actually Zeke had the best lace in his day. I never really liked his version as much as Smith's. I know it's sacrilegious to compare the Young Gun to Jones, but I honestly think he does it better, at least for his age group if not outright. Lee is such a beast on the mat, and the lace is a perfect move for him given that background. He looked uncomfortable in the past, but now it's so fluid, just like his folkstyle tilts. The transitions are awesome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,229 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Lee has some nice laces, but I was really impressed with Pico's ability to transition from a takedown to a turn in his matches. Hopefully with these two guys doing well in par terre it signals a new era of us actually getting turns at the senior level. 1 heelpick reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Pico showed a new move too, an outside step Hi-C that he can finish from the knees or from the feet, that sets up his par terre well since he ends up controlling the guy's hips on the way to the mat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 I never really liked his version as much as Smith's. I know it's sacrilegious to compare the Young Gun to Jones, but I honestly think he does it better, at least for his age group if not outright. Lee is such a beast on the mat, and the lace is a perfect move for him given that background. He looked uncomfortable in the past, but now it's so fluid, just like his folkstyle tilts. The transitions are awesome.I'm pointing out that you just compared a 16 year old boy wrestling against other boys to sr world champ. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 I'm pointing out that you just compared a 16 year old boy wrestling against other boys to sr world champ. That is exactly right. Both world champs (for their age group), but Lee much more dominant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie 1,076 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 If a 16 year old has the best leg lace of any American since Smith, we're in huge trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,637 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Dave Schultz is since John Smith. This capricious fawning needs to end..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTurkey44 321 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Lee is 16. Let's hold off a minute or 2 before anointing him the best since Smith. My God people 1 Billyhoyle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,500 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 I thought the "let down" thread showed a lack of perspective, but this is something else. Lets let him hit 55kg first at least before we compare him to Smith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 If a 16 year old has the best leg lace of any American since Smith, we're in huge trouble. Or maybe it's the opposite. Certainly looking like it so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Burroughs has a pretty good leg lace too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,637 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 I agree that Marsteller's lace is completely awful by comparison Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwh27 31 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Dave Schultz is since John Smith. This capricious fawning needs to end..... I'm a huge Dave Schultz fan, and love watching his matches. But if you're saying it's capricious that '92 John Smith had an inferior leg lace to '93-'96 Dave Schultz then that's almost as capricious as the OP. Schultz was crazy technical and savvy and brutal in his late career, but he didn't leg lace guys at will like Smith did. The argument would be between prime Schultz and prime Smith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RetiredPoster 87 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Silly. Silly indeed....comparing a boy to a man? come on...this is the same crew that had Pico whipping Metcalf and winning the Olympics, next year. Spencer Lee has a very good leg lace. He is wrestling, Boys! Enough with the comparisons.... 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,500 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I'm a huge Dave Schultz fan, and love watching his matches. But if you're saying it's capricious that '92 John Smith had an inferior leg lace to '93-'96 Dave Schultz then that's almost as capricious as the OP. Schultz was crazy technical and savvy and brutal in his late career, but he didn't leg lace guys at will like Smith did. The argument would be between prime Schultz and prime Smith. No, he's saying Dave Schultz had a better lace post 92 than Spencer Lee currently does, which I'm sure you agree with. Edited August 18, 2015 by Billyhoyle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 He has a wicked leglace and did awesome against his age group. Hopefully he will continue having success going into senior level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Burroughs has a pretty good leg lace too. Lee would crush Burroughs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,637 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I'm a huge Dave Schultz fan, and love watching his matches. But if you're saying it's capricious that '92 John Smith had an inferior leg lace to '93-'96 Dave Schultz then that's almost as capricious as the OP. Schultz was crazy technical and savvy and brutal in his late career, but he didn't leg lace guys at will like Smith did. The argument would be between prime Schultz and prime Smith. You misunderstand, I'm saying schultz had a better leg lace than SPENCER LEE has today. Edited August 18, 2015 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armspin 257 Report post Posted August 19, 2015 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVo4H1sM7yE Zeke Jones lacing one of the greatest wrestlers in history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,637 Report post Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) yeah well Lee laced a B team midget just last weekend Edited August 19, 2015 by hammerlockthree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heelpick 116 Report post Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) I like how Jordanov tried to call time out and stop the carnage of being turned all over the mat. It also was not scored correctly either. The sequence was a 2 pt turn, two hand to hands for a point each, the phony time out requested, and then another turn going out of bounds that should have scored. Good thing the outcome was not affected. Edited August 19, 2015 by heelpick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
