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What Appalachian State did this past season

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There are plenty of stories of wrestlers coming out of nowhere to have oustanding NCAA tournaments, but has there ever been another case where two wrestlers from the same team did so at the same tournament?

 

What Kyle Blevins and Austin Trotman did was beyond what anyone thought possible. Blevins finished an impressive fourth and Trotman placing third was in predictability "impossible".

 

Has there ever been a case like this before? To me this is a very interesting and motivational story and I'm curious to know if it has happened in the past.

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^^^Very good question and probably a lot of answers. Off the top of my beetle-brain, there are about three past NCAA's that spring to mind. In the 1948 NCAA Tournament little Waynesburg College had a champ (George Lewis) and another kid place top 4. Back then there were only 4 place winners per weight. Under 1000 enrollment Lock Haven STC also had two place winners. Back then it was hard to predict who would place and I think that NCAA tournament was conducted under freestyle rules, which probably rendered it more unpredictable.

 

I think that the 1964 NCAA Tournament at Cornell was suprising in that NAIA school Southern Illinois (at Carbondale) took two titles, with Terry Finn and Don Millard both winning. If you were a Southern Illinois wresting fan or insider, you might not have been shocked by their winning two titles - assume they knew Finn and Millard both were capable of grabbing the gold.

 

My third "suprise," which was huge, was little Clarion taking three individual titles in 1973. YES, the college wrestling community expected Wonderous Wade Schalles to win a crown that year, but, honest to goodness, we PSAC fans really did not expect Donnie Rohn and Bill "Elbows" Simpson also to win crowns that year. I have to think even hard-core Clarion fans really did not expect 3 NCAA champs in 1973 - especially after grabbing two NCAA titles (Schalles and Gary Barton) the year before. Yes, Clarion won a total of 5 NCAA titles in the two years 1972-1973.

 

Good string. By the way, I think one of App States best ever was Al Crawford who was an NCAA finalist back about 1941, losing the finals to Penn's 19-year old Dick DiBattista. Crawford, a 3X AAU champ, was 29 years old. App State has a rich wrestling history.

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^^^I didn't realize I was supposed to be accurate!

By the way, it would really be nice if someone would come on here and post a multi-paragraph summary of Appalachian State's wrestling history. I think back through the mid-late 1950's they had a fifth-match or so dual meet winning streak. Back about 1960 they had a good blind wrestler. I mean he was winning bouts in college. Nothing to do with college wrestling, but back in the mid 20th century I believe Boone, NC, was in a "dry" county. Might still be, for all I know.

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^^^I didn't realize I was supposed to be accurate!

By the way, it would really be nice if someone would come on here and post a multi-paragraph summary of Appalachian State's wrestling history. I think back through the mid-late 1950's they had a fifth-match or so dual meet winning streak. Back about 1960 they had a good blind wrestler. I mean he was winning bouts in college. Nothing to do with college wrestling, but back in the mid 20th century I believe Boone, NC, was in a "dry" county. Might still be, for all I know.

I'm not sure if it was AWN or WIN magazine but I believe one of the two did an article on the Southern Conference and I was surprised to read of how Appalachian State dominated it for many years. While I love Hawkeye wrestling and love all that Gable and Iowa did for the sport of collegiate wrestling, it does make me a bit sad that everything else in collegiate wrestling was over shadowed in spite of it. There is a lot that happened in this sport that nobody ever acknowledges or for that matter even knows because it seems that if it's not NCAA championship material, the interest is gone. That's a real shame in my opinion.

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Not sure how long Borelli has been over at Central Michigan or when they officially emerged as a national power but I do remember that prior to the 1998 NCAA tournament I had never heard of Central Michigan. Casey and Ryan Cunnigham helped to change that

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when i read the title of the thread, i knew where you were going with this JT.

 

and the first thing that popped in my head was

 

1) AppSt. is seriously on the up-and-up. they had a fantastic recruiting class. they nabbed some

great kids that other colleges either overlooked, undervalued, or identified late. with the performances and peaking of blevins and trotman, you gotta think that they have the coaching. now they have taletn, too.

 

2) Clarion. that was the answer to what i assumed you were getting at. i was happy to see Stovie elucidate.

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When I see some of the points made in threads like this, I can't help but come back to Cornell College of 1947 (in part because my daughter is a slightly more recent alum). Only 2 teams in history have won the NCAA and AAU team titles in the same year (the other being ISTC/UNI). Arno Niemand's book, The Dream Team of 1947, tells a great story about the post-war years and the little school on top of the hill in Mount Vernon, IA. He has a DVD out about it now, also.

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gg121and2 - I live not more than a half hour drive from Mount Vernon. I wonder if the school itself has anything on the history of that team. If so, I'd like to go and see it.

 

Husker_Du - You know how I am. I get excited to see smaller teams excell in the sport. I was very happy to see Appalachian State have the showing that they did. It proves that wrestling is growing and prospering at the DI level as far as competition goes.

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gg121and2 - I live not more than a half hour drive from Mount Vernon. I wonder if the school itself has anything on the history of that team. If so, I'd like to go and see it.

 

Husker_Du - You know how I am. I get excited to see smaller teams excell in the sport. I was very happy to see Appalachian State have the showing that they did. It proves that wrestling is growing and prospering at the DI level as far as competition goes.

 

The championship trophies are on display in the lobby of the Richard and Norma Small Multi-sports complex (named after Cornell's largest donors - Richard was a wrestler and member of the Class of 1950). The athletic hall of fame is also there and you can see photos of 4 Distinguished Members of the NWHOF and of a couple more Division I champions and AAs. Either associate AD, Dick Simmons, or coach Duroe will gladly bend your ear about the history of Cornell College wrestling for as much time as you have. You might also be impressed with the quality fo their wrestling room.

 

Dick will once again be tournament director for next year's Division III Championships in Cedar Rapids and is planning on creating an exhibit on area wrestling history that will include memorabilia from Cornell's magic year.

 

Incidentally, if you look hard enough when you're at Cornell you can also find a picture of my daughter as a member of Cornell's only Iowa Conference Women's Tennis Championship team (sorry - I just had to brag).

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SLIPPERY ROCK - a shocker in '74, w/Stan only prior medalist

1970-- 150-- 3- Dziedzic, Stan

1971-- 150-- 1- Dziedzic, Stan

1972-- 158-- 2- Dziedzic, Stan

1974-- 118-- 2- Spates, Jack

1974-- 150-- 5- Waller, Mike

1974-- 190-- 6- Shuffstall, Bill

 

WASHINGTON - no prior Div 1 medals until '63

1963-- 177 --4- Bell, Richard

1969-- 123 --3- Berg, Randy

1970-- 142 --1- Owings, Larry

1971-- 142 --2- Owings, Larry (team finish 8th)

1971-- 150 --5- Pleasant, Don

1971-- 158 --6- Shinjo, Hajime

 

UCLA - all but 1 medal thru '68

1963-- 157-- 4- Javanmard, Rahim

1964-- 123-- 4- Janko, Bobbie

1966-- 191-- 4- Whittington, Rich

1967-- 160-- 3- Ehrler, Lee

1968-- 115-- 2- Gonzales, Sergio

1968-- 130-- 6- Hahn, John (team was 8th in '69)

 

PORTLAND ST - 1st-ever medals

1966-- 115--1- Sanders, Rick (team 9th)

1966-- 137 --5- Yatabe, Masaru

1967-- 115 --1- Sanders, Rick (6th pl)

1967-- 137 --2- Yatabe, Masaru

1967-- 152 --3- Seal, Clarence

 

ARIZONA ST - 1st-ever medals (just started program)

1965-- 115-- 2- McMinn, Glenn

1965-- 177-- 3- Tribble, Charles

1965-- 147-- 4- Hays, Buz

 

SIU-CARBONDALE - no prior medals

1961-- 177--3- Houston, Ken

1962-- 191--3- Houston, Ken (team 6th)

1962-- 167--4- Millard, Don

1963-- Unl--2- Kristoff, Larry

1964-- 115--1- Finn, Terry (team 4th)

1964-- 167 --1- Millard, Don

 

WYOMING - all but 2 A/A medals 1928-65 (and only 2 Top 10 teams)

1958-- 167--2- Ballinger, Dick

1959-- 147 --2- Frude, Jerry (team 6th)

1959-- 167 --4- Ballinger, Dick

1959-- 123 --4- Karcher, Herb

1960-- 167 --1- Ballinger, Dick (team 3rd)

1960-- 147 --2- Frude, Jerry

1960-- 123 --3- Hansen, Dave

 

WAYNESBURG - certainly recognizable power after '48 :)

1948-- 125--1- Lewis, George (team 8th)

1948-- 160--4- Thomas, Don

1950-- 121--1- Gizoni, Tony (7th)

1951-- 123--1- Gizoni, Tony (9th)

1952-- 167--3- Schneider (6th)

1952-- Unl --3- Valtoney

1952-- 130--4--Lewis, George

1960-- 191--3-- Eckley, Paul

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SLIPPERY ROCK - a shocker in '74, w/Stan only prior medalist

1970-- 150-- 3- Dziedzic, Stan

1971-- 150-- 1- Dziedzic, Stan

1972-- 158-- 2- Dziedzic, Stan

1974-- 118-- 2- Spates, Jack

1974-- 150-- 5- Waller, Mike

1974-- 190-- 6- Shuffstall, Bill

 

WASHINGTON - no prior Div 1 medals until '63

1963-- 177 --4- Bell, Richard

1969-- 123 --3- Berg, Randy

1970-- 142 --1- Owings, Larry

1971-- 142 --2- Owings, Larry (team finish 8th)

1971-- 150 --5- Pleasant, Don

1971-- 158 --6- Shinjo, Hajime

 

UCLA - all but 1 medal thru '68

1963-- 157-- 4- Javanmard, Rahim

1964-- 123-- 4- Janko, Bobbie

1966-- 191-- 4- Whittington, Rich

1967-- 160-- 3- Ehrler, Lee

1968-- 115-- 2- Gonzales, Sergio

1968-- 130-- 6- Hahn, John (team was 8th in '69)

 

PORTLAND ST - 1st-ever medals

1966-- 115--1- Sanders, Rick (team 9th)

1966-- 137 --5- Yatabe, Masaru

1967-- 115 --1- Sanders, Rick (6th pl)

1967-- 137 --2- Yatabe, Masaru

1967-- 152 --3- Seal, Clarence

 

ARIZONA ST - 1st-ever medals (just started program)

1965-- 115-- 2- McMinn, Glenn

1965-- 177-- 3- Tribble, Charles

1965-- 147-- 4- Hays, Buz

 

SIU-CARBONDALE - no prior medals

1961-- 177--3- Houston, Ken

1962-- 191--3- Houston, Ken (team 6th)

1962-- 167--4- Millard, Don

1963-- Unl--2- Kristoff, Larry

1964-- 115--1- Finn, Terry (team 4th)

1964-- 167 --1- Millard, Don

 

WYOMING - all but 2 A/A medals 1928-65 (and only 2 Top 10 teams)

1958-- 167--2- Ballinger, Dick

1959-- 147 --2- Frude, Jerry (team 6th)

1959-- 167 --4- Ballinger, Dick

1959-- 123 --4- Karcher, Herb

1960-- 167 --1- Ballinger, Dick (team 3rd)

1960-- 147 --2- Frude, Jerry

1960-- 123 --3- Hansen, Dave

 

WAYNESBURG - certainly recognizable power after '48 :)

1948-- 125--1- Lewis, George (team 8th)

1948-- 160--4- Thomas, Don

1950-- 121--1- Gizoni, Tony (7th)

1951-- 123--1- Gizoni, Tony (9th)

1952-- 167--3- Schneider (6th)

1952-- Unl --3- Valtoney

1952-- 130--4--Lewis, George

1960-- 191--3-- Eckley, Paul

This is very, very interesting and informative. It gives me an idea for something.

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Not sure how long Borelli has been over at Central Michigan or when they officially emerged as a national power but I do remember that prior to the 1998 NCAA tournament I had never heard of Central Michigan. Casey and Ryan Cunnigham helped to change that

 

Borelli took over in 1991. Before he took over, the Chippewas had 26 individual MAC champions(1974-91) and 2 MAC team championships. Since he took over they have had 78 individual MAC champions and 14 MAC team championships. Before Borelli they had 6 D1 All-Americans, 0 national champs, and 1 runner-up. Since Borelli they have had 36 D1 All-Americans, 1 national champ, and 3 runner-ups. As a team, before Borelli they had only 1 top 10 finish at ncaa's which was 8th in 1981 and that was also their only top 15 finish. Since Borelli they have had 3 top 10 finishes with their highest being 5th in 1998 and 9 top 15 finishes.

 

I realize that none of this has to do with the discussion of Appalachian State and the tremendous things they did at ncaa's this year but my Alma-Mater got brought up in this thread so I felt the need to look up the stats and share. :D

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Not sure how long Borelli has been over at Central Michigan or when they officially emerged as a national power but I do remember that prior to the 1998 NCAA tournament I had never heard of Central Michigan. Casey and Ryan Cunnigham helped to change that

 

Borelli took over in 1991. Before he took over, the Chippewas had 26 individual MAC champions(1974-91) and 2 MAC team championships. Since he took over they have had 78 individual MAC champions and 14 MAC team championships. Before Borelli they had 6 D1 All-Americans, 0 national champs, and 1 runner-up. Since Borelli they have had 36 D1 All-Americans, 1 national champ, and 3 runner-ups. As a team, before Borelli they had only 1 top 10 finish at ncaa's which was 8th in 1981 and that was also their only top 15 finish. Since Borelli they have had 3 top 10 finishes with their highest being 5th in 1998 and 9 top 15 finishes.

 

I realize that none of this has to do with the discussion of Appalachian State and the tremendous things they did at ncaa's this year but my Alma-Mater got brought up in this thread so I felt the need to look up the stats and share. :D

Wasn't about Appalachian State, I just used Appalachian State as an example. On paper and in the minds of the majority Blevins was an at best 7th-8th place finisher and that was IF he wrestled his very best. Trotman was given an at best R12 finish. Yet both guys, way outdid themselves and had outstanding Cinderella performances.

I am looking for examples of any school that produces that kind of a result where two or more guys way outperform the expectations of the wrestling community.

 

Another great example is the Air Force in 2002.

 

Scott Frohardt was only a #12 seed, Terry Parham was unseeded, and both had outstanding performances.

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