fullnelson 119 Report post Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) They really move forward with good position, especially off the underhook, Gotta believe they put a lot of time into this obviously important skill. Green was pushed all over the mat but all their wrestlers have shown this awareness better than other countries since the overhauling of the rules. Their conditioning is as good as anyones, a vast improvement over their 80's-90's teams Edited September 12, 2015 by fullnelson 2 OKnowwhut and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted September 12, 2015 Greens opponent pushed skillfully but also used it to set up leg attacks near the edge. Good strategy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 327 Report post Posted September 12, 2015 Great positioning, dominant with their underhooks, and great defense seems to be most of the Iranians. They also time their snaps well and as soon as you come up they run to a single as you are coming up. They are a great team, all very disciplined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnklePicker 553 Report post Posted September 12, 2015 Man I'd love to have Rasoul Khadem mic'd up and interpreted so we could hear what he's saying to his wrestlers. Dude's intense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 668 Report post Posted September 12, 2015 He's mostly telling them to go forward and put on pressure. Or to wrestle short. Also shouts at them to not go back a lot. 1 leshismore reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,028 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 He's mostly telling them to go forward and put on pressure. Or to wrestle short. Also shouts at them to not go back a lot. He tells them to go forward, and then he tells them to not go back? I like the consistency in his messages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madcat11 420 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Not to be confused with the pull out king: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XL5ZcanUslI 1 Jaroslav Hasek reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,655 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 their cadets do it as well... it is something taught early on as opposed to run out of bounds for safety... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 668 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 He tells them to go forward, and then he tells them to not go back? I like the consistency in his messages. Lol, when they are going forward he says to keep going forward. If they are being pushed back he says don't go back. 1 OKnowwhut reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cradle2grave 16 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Nearly every coach I've heard stresses maintaining inside head position when you've got an underhook. It's one of those unquestioned orthodoxies. The Iranians seem to prefer the head on the opposite side. Not only are they successful with pushing for the step out point from here, they work some great shots off this position. Taghavi and others hit a great double from there. 1 quanon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 He's mostly telling them to go forward and put on pressure. Or to wrestle short. Also shouts at them to not go back a lot. Wrestle short? Do you mean lower their level / bend their knees? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 441 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 He's mostly telling them to go forward and put on pressure. Or to wrestle short. Also shouts at them to not go back a lot. I sat next to an Iranian ex-pat on Saturday who has moderate wrestling knowledge. He said that the coaches said "wrestle short" a lot, and he wanted to know what that actually meant. I took it to mean keep your elbows in, stay in a stance, don't get extended on shots- somewhere in there. It seems that "wrestling short" is important to Iran because they said it a lot. 1 quanon reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shahin2000 24 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Maan.. I love reading your comments. I am embarrassed to say that you guys know more about Iranian wrestlers and their tendencies than Iranian coaches and sport broadcasters. It is funny that I read so many positive remarks about Iranian wrestling here whereas in Iranian sites, I read nothing but negative remarks. People are extremely disappointed with this year's results since not a single wrestler got Gold for Iran. Additionally, people are not satisfied with greco coaches and are desperately looking to get Bana back. People are also not happy with Khadem's work either. The only reason they think Khadem has this job is because of his connection with the gov't. Amir Reza, Rasul's brother, also has cush job in the sport's ministry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 510 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Maan.. I love reading your comments. I am embarrassed to say that you guys know more about Iranian wrestlers and their tendencies than Iranian coaches and sport broadcasters. It is funny that I read so many positive remarks about Iranian wrestling here whereas in Iranian sites, I read nothing but negative remarks. People are extremely disappointed with this year's results since not a single wrestler got Gold for Iran. Additionally, people are not satisfied with greco coaches and are desperately looking to get Bana back. People are also not happy with Khadem's work either. The only reason they think Khadem has this job is because of his connection with the gov't. Amir Reza, Rasul's brother, also has cush job in the sport's ministry. Sounds a lot like how we complain about how badly the USA does all the time. Most of the posts here are disparaging in some way to somebody, criticizing a wrestler or a coach because they didn't do this, or we should have sent somebody else, etc. I'm glad to know that this happens elsewhere too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmachinder 68 Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Iran did a ton of great wrestling at this tournament. They wrestle with supreme tactics but are also very aggressive and their style makes them easy to root for. I kind of feel the refs gave Russia gifts at 57KG and 65KG early on in the tournament. Without those gifts, Iran wins it all.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 219 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 Nearly every coach I've heard stresses maintaining inside head position when you've got an underhook. It's one of those unquestioned orthodoxies. The Iranians seem to prefer the head on the opposite side. Not only are they successful with pushing for the step out point from here, they work some great shots off this position. Taghavi and others hit a great double from there.You can generate more forward pressure with less risk of losing you balance pushing with your shoulder instead yo u r head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishhook 142 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 Maan.. I love reading your comments. I am embarrassed to say that you guys know more about Iranian wrestlers and their tendencies than Iranian coaches and sport broadcasters. It is funny that I read so many positive remarks about Iranian wrestling here whereas in Iranian sites, I read nothing but negative remarks. People are extremely disappointed with this year's results since not a single wrestler got Gold for Iran. Additionally, people are not satisfied with greco coaches and are desperately looking to get Bana back. People are also not happy with Khadem's work either. The only reason they think Khadem has this job is because of his connection with the gov't. Amir Reza, Rasul's brother, also has cush job in the sport's ministry. I thought Amir was even better. He destroyed Kenny Monday to win the Wolrd Championship one year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutus81 4 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 I think we will get much better very quickly by instituting the push-out rule in folkstyle. 2 Jim L and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 268 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 I think we will get much better very quickly by instituting the push-out rule in folkstyle. Even if we don't get much better, it is still worth doing to make Folkstyle matches more entertaining Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tofurky 600 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 I will say this much, during the matches that I watched I loved the fact that referees were not awarding step out points for guys who blatantly two hand shoved their opponents off the mat while exhibiting zero wrestling skill in said motion. I like that part of the rule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,655 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 i was under the assumption that that was only a rule for greco... not sure if that was changed this summer, or, if USA was intepreting it different for the junior and below categories... but, i agree... attempting a wrestling move is more legit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestfan 645 Report post Posted September 14, 2015 Maan.. I love reading your comments. I am embarrassed to say that you guys know more about Iranian wrestlers and their tendencies than Iranian coaches and sport broadcasters. It is funny that I read so many positive remarks about Iranian wrestling here whereas in Iranian sites, I read nothing but negative remarks. People are extremely disappointed with this year's results since not a single wrestler got Gold for Iran. Additionally, people are not satisfied with greco coaches and are desperately looking to get Bana back. People are also not happy with Khadem's work either. The only reason they think Khadem has this job is because of his connection with the gov't. Amir Reza, Rasul's brother, also has cush job in the sport's ministry. Yep, he lost his popularity mostly because of his brother and most importantly for letting/forcing Bana go. and also being both head coach and the federation president negatively affected his job as the head coach.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tofurky 600 Report post Posted September 15, 2015 i was under the assumption that that was only a rule for greco... not sure if that was changed this summer, or, if USA was intepreting it different for the junior and below categories... but, i agree... attempting a wrestling move is more legit I saw it happen twice in the same match from the same guy and I was able to watch from Friday on only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,655 Report post Posted September 15, 2015 i saw it as well and was a bit confused, but, there was so much tweaking of the rules and experimentation this season that i could have very easily missed it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 441 Report post Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) I will say this much, during the matches that I watched I loved the fact that referees were not awarding step out points for guys who blatantly two hand shoved their opponents off the mat while exhibiting zero wrestling skill in said motion. I like that part of the rule. I'll disagree. The rules should remove as much subjectivity as possible. Your foot stepped out while you weren't completing a takedown? 1pt. You're on the clock and in on a single? You have until exactly until 0:30 to score, no more. If we give the refs the leeway to say "he was simply pushing, not attacking with a recognized wrestling hold" then they'll eventually screw someone with it. Edited September 15, 2015 by GranbyTroll 1 Jim L reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites