IronChef 1,071 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 According to an article written by Dake in the WIN Magazine I just received, he is staying at 86kg for the trials and had what sounds like to flu during the tournament in Russia. 1 Alwayswrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,466 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 According to an article written by Dake in the WIN Magazine I just received, he is staying at 86kg for the trials and had what sounds like to flu during the tournament in Russia. he lost to Kazakhstan wrestler in Umakhanov Tournameny in Khasavuyrt 10-5 in round one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 822 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 I doubt he can make the team. Even if could I don't see him having any chance to medal even if he got a great draw. He is simply not big enough, the jump is too much. I don't think any 74 could have much success at 86, Burroughs included. All this to avoid Burroughs, I don't think it's worth it. However I do understand the appeal of being on an Olympic team even if he doesn't medal. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 I doubt he can make the team. Even if could I don't see him having any chance to medal even if he got a great draw. He is simply not big enough, the jump is too much. I don't think any 74 could have much success at 86, Burroughs included. All this to avoid Burroughs, I don't think it's worth it. However I do understand the appeal of being on an Olympic team even if he doesn't medal. I agree 86kg is a much tougher weight for him internationally than 74. But if there are sanctions against Russian for Rio, this could be the opportunity of a lifetime to whomever claims the spot. For those who are knowledgeable about sports nutrition and weight management: is this really a permanent move for Kyle Dake? Meaning, if he eats & trains to be competitive at 86kg, could he change his mind in the future and cut back down to 74kg? Or would he have altered his body physiologically (and changed his wrestling style) to a point where he couldn't move back down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,047 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 wow, did not expect him to stay at 86 after the last tournament but best of luck to him. at least we'll get some interesting match ups to watch for at the trials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 347 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) He has got to know that he is to small. And Burroughs would not medal either at 189 in my opinion. He is probably smaller than Dake. Taylor has the best shot I think of those three. He is three inches taller than Dake and four inches taller than Burroughs. Go back to 74 Kyle!!!! Edited November 17, 2015 by PRyan2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,586 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Well now you just encouraged him. Taylor should be licking his chops right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingjunkie 10 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Could be an interesting match up between dake and taylor at the higher weight. Unless dake just has his number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 582 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Well, Taylor gets his first international shot at 86 in about 10 days in Baku. Dake was supposed to enter the Yarygin last year (at 74) but got injured just prior to the trip, so will be real interesting to see if Kyle enters the Yarygin this year. Hope he goes. Would love to see Taylor enter the Yarygin too, especially if he does well at Baku. I would think these guys would want as much early international experience as possible up at 86 in preparation for the OTT's, and possibly the Olympics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newyorkwrestler 258 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 i'm def bias, but I think Kyle will find a way to win at the trials, I don't think ruth, herbert, or taylor would be impossible to beat even if he is forfeiting size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
de4856 370 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Just my opinion, but I think Dake would be better off dropping to 70 Kg. I get that he would miss his chance for Rio, but I think if he takes this time to trim down and get his weight, diet and everything else under control, he would be pretty formidable, here and abroad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pennsyrules 222 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Didn't Dake train with Herbert? I wonder if he gauged how he competed against Herbert with how we would do at 86kg? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbard 426 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Dake will shatter some dreams at 86. Keep feeding him, boys. de, the Olympics is the goal. Like heck he's going to focus on missing the Olympics. The place is here. The time is now. 1 newyorkwrestler reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,469 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 When was the last time Dake has lost to an American wrestler not named Burroughs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 I'm a David Taylor fan all the way, but am a little skeptical that the immediate results at 86kg will be there. I imagine it will take time for him to replace body mass with real muscle mass -- especially if he's never lifted before as he claims -- and adjusting his technique accordingly. Kyle Dake is in a similar boat, but he has the advantage of being a chronic weightlifter and is ahead of DT in terms of adding the appropriate weight and knowing how to adjust his style. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 he lost to Kazakhstan wrestler in Umakhanov Tournameny in Khasavuyrt 10-5 in round one Based on that result, where would you expect Dake to place at the US Olympic trials? Can he even score a point on Taylor, should he make it far enough to face him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 I doubt he can make the team. Even if could I don't see him having any chance to medal even if he got a great draw. He is simply not big enough, the jump is too much. I don't think any 74 could have much success at 86, Burroughs included. All this to avoid Burroughs, I don't think it's worth it. However I do understand the appeal of being on an Olympic team even if he doesn't medal. Shiraz, in American wrestling culture, much is made of "a champion never avoids competition or a challenge..." blah, blah, blah. Dake is now running from Burroughs, like a frightened little girl. It's unimaginable he would resort to such a basketball move, or a volleyball move. This is widely frowned upon in American wrestling culture. I for one am ashamed to be an American. Even if he were to tech his way through the Olympic games,(of course that wont happen) he will always know he tucked tail and ran. Can we get your take on this practice of running, which seems to be increasing among the Americans, please? 3 HurricaneWrestling, gutfirst and Shiraz123 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiraz123 822 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Shiraz, in American wrestling culture, much is made of "a champion never avoids competition or a challenge..." blah, blah, blah. Dake is now running from Burroughs, like a frightened little girl. It's unimaginable he would resort to such a basketball move, or a volleyball move. This is widely frowned upon in American wrestling culture. I for one am ashamed to be an American. Even if he were to tech his way through the Olympic games,(of course that wont happen) he will always know he tucked tail and ran. Can we get your take on this practice of running, which seems to be increasing among the Americans, please? It would be one thing if he was too big, but to me Dake seems like the perfect size for 74. I agree it is a bad move and his coaches should make it clear to him that he has no hope at 86. I would like Dake to take a lesson from one of my favourite wrestlers, Brent Metcalf. Brent has never won anything on the international level despite competing on that stage for a decade. Each year he is sent home empty handed yet still comes back for more. He doesn't move up or down a weight but keeps pushing towards his goals at his natural weight. And after many years of trying in 2014 he was finally able to win a match at a world championships. This year he won two (with some questionable calls against China, I know) before being eliminated. I would like to see Dake learn a thing or two from Metcalf and to not just give up so quickly. He has to keep pushing at 74. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 bad move, unless he has a problem maintaining his weight. is a guy trying to make a team or be the best in the world? the guy trying to make a team isn't setting his goals high enough. that's tougher to live with than not making a team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,586 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 How many coaching opportunities do you think Dake has received? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaroslav Hasek 2,047 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 It would be one thing if he was too big, but to me Dake seems like the perfect size for 74. I agree it is a bad move and his coaches should make it clear to him that he has no hope at 86. I would like Dake to take a lesson from one of my favourite wrestlers, Brent Metcalf. Brent has never won anything on the international level despite competing on that stage for a decade. Each year he is sent home empty handed yet still comes back for more. He doesn't move up or down a weight but keeps pushing towards his goals at his natural weight. And after many years of trying in 2014 he was finally able to win a match at a world championships. This year he won two (with some questionable calls against China, I know) before being eliminated. I would like to see Dake learn a thing or two from Metcalf and to not just give up so quickly. He has to keep pushing at 74. haha, classic Shiraz Metcalf "love". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 452 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 How many coaching opportunities do you think Dake has received? None. I went to a clinic and it was kinda alright. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin 1,466 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Based on that result, where would you expect Dake to place at the US Olympic trials? Can he even score a point on Taylor, should he make it far enough to face him? Dake never go to Olympic games, he is legend in gril wrestling (folkstyle) but he never good in freestyle 3 GranbyTroll, HurricaneWrestling and Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 452 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Dake never go to Olympic games, he is legend in gril wrestling (folkstyle) but he never good in freestyle Trolling 8/10! At first I scored you a 7/10, then I awarded a bonus point for trolling in your not native language. 2 Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin and Tofurky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigBrog 43 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 So let me get this straight....it is a good thing for Taylor to move up, but not for Dake....got it?!?! (sarcasm) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
