Iowa vs Penn State (hypothetical)

[farmer79 14]

125.  Nico Dec Gilman                                       Psu 3-0

 

133.  Conaway Dec Clark                                  Psu 6-0

 

141.  Guilibon Dec Carton                                  Psu 9-0

 

149.  Retherford Dec Sorenson                         Psu 12-0

 

157.  Nolf Mdec Cooper                                     Psu 16-0

 

165.  Rasheed Mdec Rhoads                            Psu 20-0

 

174.  Nickal Dec Meyer                                      Psu 23-0

 

184.  Mccutcheon Dec Brooks                           Psu 26-0

 

197.  Mcintosh Dec Burak                                  Psu 29-0

 

285.  Stoll Dec Nevills                                        Psu 29-3

 

I could see Iowa winning toss ups at 125, 133, 184.  Slight Iowa Chance at 174, 197.  Psu Chance at 285.  Good Thing for Iowa that they are not wrestling this year.

[IRTYTKY 67]

Or hypothetically speaking it could go

 

125. Gilman Dec Nico                             Iowa up 3-0

 

133. Clark Dec Conaway                        Iowa up 6-0

 

141. Carton Dec Guilibon                       Iowa up 9-0

 

149. Sorenson Dec Retherford              Iowa up 12-0

 

157. Cooper Mdec Nolf                          Iowa up 16-0

 

165. Rhoads Mdec Rasheed                 Iowa up 20-0

 

174. Meyer Dec Nickal                           Iowa up 23-0

 

184. Brooks Dec Mccutcheon                Iowa up 26-0

 

197. Burak dec McIntosh                       Iowa up 29-0

 

285. Nevills dec Stoll                              Iowa 29-3

[MSU158 1,354]

farmer79,

 

 

Are you PSU's version of the old Willie(Iowa's #1 fan) that posted on here?  Does your (hypothetical) also make wrestlers injured and out for the year now healthy?  If so, here is my hypothetical:

 

125: McDonough dec. Megaludis  3-0 IOWA

133: Brands pin Conaway 9-0 IOWA

141: Brands pin Gulibon/Moss 15-0 IOWA

149: Metcalf dec. Rehterford 18-0 IOWA

157: McIlravy maj. Nolf 22-0 IOWA

165: Perry pin. Rasheed 28-0 IOWA

174: Borschel dec. Nickall 31-0 IOWA

184: Banach pin McCutcheon 37-0 IOWA

197: Fullhart dec. McIntosh 40-0 IOWA

285: Banach pin Johnson 48-0 IOWA

 

That is my "best case" scenario for PSU.  Good thing for PSU they are not wrestling this year..........

[farmer79 14]

Cael has recently stated that Nevills has been drilling and he should be healthy enough to return this year.  that is why I included him in the hypothetical.  Without Nevills, Good chance Iowa would pick up bonus. 

 

but if your gonna do it that way,

 

125.  Martin Dec Mcdonough  Psu 3-0

133.  Kolat Dec Brands  Psu 6-0

141.  Brands Dec Long Psu 6-3

149.  Retherford Dec Metcalf Psu 9-3

157.  Matter Dec Mcllravy  Psu 12-3

165.  Taylor Dec Perry  Psu 15-3

174.  Nickal Dec Borschell  Psu 18-3

184.  Ruth Dec Banach  Psu 21-3

197.  Fullhart Dec Mcintosh Psu 21-6

285.  Mccoy Dec Banach Psu 24-6

Edited January 21, 2016 by farmer79

[farmer79 14]

Or hypothetically speaking it could go

 

125. Gilman Dec Nico                             Iowa up 3-0

 

133. Clark Dec Conaway                        Iowa up 6-0

 

141. Carton Dec Guilibon                       Iowa up 9-0

 

149. Sorenson Dec Retherford              Iowa up 12-0

 

157. Cooper Mdec Nolf                          Iowa up 16-0

 

165. Rhoads Mdec Rasheed                 Iowa up 20-0

 

174. Meyer Dec Nickal                           Iowa up 23-0

 

184. Brooks Dec Mccutcheon                Iowa up 26-0

 

197. Burak dec McIntosh                       Iowa up 29-0

 

285. Nevills dec Stoll                              Iowa 29-3

That scenario would be extremely unlikely.  My scenario is much more probable.

[MSU158 1,354]

farmer79,

 

 

You may want to look up the definitions of possible and probable and then note the key difference..............

[farmer79 14]

Which match in particular do you think is not probable?

[PhiferFuqua 184]

125.  Nico Dec Gilman                                       Psu 3-0

 

133.  Conaway Dec Clark                                  Psu 6-0

 

141.  Guilibon Dec Carton                                  Psu 9-0

 

149.  Retherford Dec Sorenson                         Psu 12-0

 

157.  Nolf Mdec Cooper                                     Psu 16-0

 

165.  Rasheed Mdec Rhoads                            Psu 20-0

 

174.  Nickal Dec Meyer                                      Psu 23-0

 

184.  Mccutcheon Dec Brooks                           Psu 26-0

 

197.  Mcintosh Dec Burak                                  Psu 29-0

 

285.  Stoll Dec Nevills                                        Psu 29-3

 

I could see Iowa winning toss ups at 125, 133, 184.  Slight Iowa Chance at 174, 197.  Psu Chance at 285.  Good Thing for Iowa that they are not wrestling this year.

 

Ugh.

 

And I say that as a Penn State fan. 

[MSU158 1,354]

farmer,

 

prob·a·ble
ˈpräbəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.
likely to be the case or to happen.
"it is probable that the economic situation will deteriorate further"
synonyms: likely, most likely, odds-on, expected, anticipated, predictable, foreseeable

 

1.)Nico is NOT likely to beat Gilman.  At best they are 50/50

2.)Clark is a DISTINCT favorite over Conaway. Epic fail here.

3.)McCutcheon is not a favorite.

4.)Nevills is not probable to wrestle and Stoll should get big bonus.

5.) I would not call it most likely(a synonym of probable) that PSU wins all of the following: 141,149, 174 and 197.

6.) The only matches I think they most likely win are 157 and 165.  I would expect them to also win at 174.  I personally think they also win at 149 and 197.

7.)PSU will win mainly due to bonus, but I would bet money that IOWA wins at least 3 matches and I would put the over/under at 4.

 

I have absolutely no issue with you picking PSU to win.  I expect them to win.  But, let's not forget that Brands is 7-2 against Sanderson coached teams in duals.  That includes a 2-2 record against PSU during their 4 year Championship run.

 

For all the anti-Hawkeye rhetoric on here, no one can deny that Iowa has been the premiere dual meet team over the last decade............... 

[LordNelson 531]

125.  Nico Dec Gilman                                       Psu 3-0

 

133.  Conaway Dec Clark                                  Psu 6-0

 

141.  Guilibon Dec Carton                                  Psu 9-0

 

149.  Retherford Dec Sorenson                         Psu 12-0

 

157.  Nolf Mdec Cooper                                     Psu 16-0

 

165.  Rasheed Mdec Rhoads                            Psu 20-0

 

174.  Nickal Dec Meyer                                      Psu 23-0

 

184.  Mccutcheon Dec Brooks                           Psu 26-0

 

197.  Mcintosh Dec Burak                                  Psu 29-0

 

285.  Stoll Dec Nevills                                        Psu 29-3

 

I could see Iowa winning toss ups at 125, 133, 184.  Slight Iowa Chance at 174, 197.  Psu Chance at 285.  Good Thing for Iowa that they are not wrestling this year.

You should be banned for this post.

[VakAttack 2,165]

Wait...what just happened?

[IRTYTKY 67]

Wait...what just happened?

Penn State Hypothetically dominated Iowa, Iowa dominated the hypothetical rematch, a bunch of guys came out of retirement, and then we got an english lesson.

[JasonBryant 1,499]

This thread has much potential. 

 

At least it's highly probable. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by JasonBryant

[MSU158 1,354]

I am, admittedly, a likes grinch.  I have now given 2 in back to back posts.  Well done, gentlemen.  Well done!

[TNTwrestle 10]

125.  Martin Dec Mcdonough  Psu 3-0

133.  Kolat Dec Brands  Psu 6-0

141.  Brands Dec Long Psu 6-3

149.  Retherford Dec Metcalf Psu 9-3

157.  Matter Dec Mcllravy  Psu 12-3

165.  Taylor Dec Perry  Psu 15-3

174.  Nickal Dec Borschell  Psu 18-3

184.  Ruth Dec Banach  Psu 21-3

197.  Fullhart Dec Mcintosh Psu 21-6

285.  Mccoy Dec Banach Psu 24-6

 

If you really believe half of those, you're delirious. I've seen all of those guys wrestle multiple times, and most of those aren't close to what would happen. Also each of the teams has had better guys around some of those weights than the guys you have listed.

Edited January 21, 2016 by TNTwrestle

[farmer79 14]

You people seem to have no imagination.  

[MSU158 1,354]

TNT,

 

Are you responding to me?  If so, you may need to read my post again. I used PSU's CURRENT team.  I wasn't trying to use Iowa's absolute best guy at each spot.  I just grabbed one that should dominate each match.  Finally, are you really trying to say that PSU's best guys destroy Iowa's? Really?

 

125 I could have picked Barry Davis.  Still McDonough destroys Martin as I will take a 3x finalist 2x champ all day long.

133 Kolat over Brands?  Maybe but definitely not a foregone conclusion.

141 Brands vs Long?? The Long that is wrestling for an NAIA team(Grandview) now?  Long at PSU would have been pinned.

149 Retherford over Metcalf?  Interesting a guy that is yet to win a championship is your guy?

157 McIravy is a 4x finalist and 3x champ.  Considering matter wrestled 167 which would be 174 now, he would get pinned at 57

165 I could see Taylor winning, but I picked Perry because he was a pinner.  I now changed my mind and put Joe Williams here instead.

174 See 149.  You really think a freshman that just lost is better than an undefeated National Champ?

184 Ruth over Banach?  Similar credentials, definitely PSU's best chance(other than McCoy) for a win.

197 Fullhart-Finally some sense from you.

285  I could maybe give you McCoy but Banach was also a 2x Champ and an Olympic champ.

 

 

Iowa could truly shut out PSU in this theoretical match-up.

Edited January 21, 2016 by MSU158

[MSU158 1,354]

You people seem to have no imagination.  

"imagination" should not be used when your original argument was "probable"............................

[TNTwrestle 10]

MSU, I was responding to farmer's fantasy about the PSU all-stars whipping up on the Iowa all-stars, as copied and pasted above my remarks. Most of the time I enjoy your input MSU, both here and on HR. I enjoy your humor as well, even though it seems most people (both places) don't always get it.

[Zebra 545]

Penn State Hypothetically dominated Iowa, Iowa dominated the hypothetical rematch, a bunch of guys came out of retirement, and then we got an english lesson.

You mean somebody taught us how to speak English? But we're in America we should be speaking American, right???????

[MSU158 1,354]

TNT,

 

Ok, that makes more sense.  Thanks.  I took those as your predictions as I didn't read farmer's post after he edited to add his predictions.

 

Since I am on a likes giving binge, I made you my 3rd in one topic!  Thanks for the kind words.

[farmer79 14]

I dont think psu all time team would beat Iowa all time team, however,

 

jim martin was pretty good and had 2 wins over Tom Brands, and 2 wins over Kendall Cross.  You Think Mcdonough would "destroy" him?

 

Retherford is awesome.  I think he is the best wrestler on the Penn State team and I dont think he loses again in college.

 

Borschel was good,  I'll never forget the time he almost beat true freshman Q Wright at Big Tens.  I would take redshirt freshman Nickal in That Hypothetical.

 

That being said,  this is all hypothetical and you need to use your imagination.

 

TNT,

 

Are you responding to me?  If so, you may need to read my post again. I used PSU's CURRENT team.  I wasn't trying to use Iowa's absolute best guy at each spot.  I just grabbed one that should dominate each match.  Finally, are you really trying to say that PSU's best guys destroy Iowa's? Really?

 

125 I could have picked Barry Davis.  Still McDonough destroys Martin as I will take a 3x finalist 2x champ all day long.

133 Kolat over Brands?  Maybe but definitely not a foregone conclusion.

141 Brands vs Long?? The Long that is wrestling for an NAIA team(Grandview) now?  Long at PSU would have been pinned.

149 Retherford over Metcalf?  Interesting a guy that is yet to win a championship is your guy?

157 McIravy is a 4x finalist and 3x champ.  Considering matter wrestled 167 which would be 174 now, he would get pinned at 57

165 I could see Taylor winning, but I picked Perry because he was a pinner.  I now changed my mind and put Joe Williams here instead.

174 See 149.  You really think a freshman that just lost is better than an undefeated National Champ?

184 Ruth over Banach?  Similar credentials, definitely PSU's best chance(other than McCoy) for a win.

197 Fullhart-Finally some sense from you.

285  I could maybe give you McCoy but Banach was also a 2x Champ and an Olympic champ.

 

 

Iowa could truly shut out PSU in this theoretical match-up.

[MSU158 1,354]

farmer79,

 

Feel free to imagine. However, when you do predictions they still have to be grounded in reality.

 

Martin's (arguably)two best years were at 126(again I point out that with the current weigh in rules guys at 126 weren't making 125).  His two wins over Brands were during Brands' freshman year.  He improved immensely from then on. Healthy McDonough would have given him fits.  Still, we could always insert Barry Davis.

 

As good as Retherford is he hasn't been able to hang with Pico.  Metcalf is and was a monster.  Caldwell's athleticism was his dynamite and Retherford's style is far from Caldwell's.  The current version of Retherford wouldn't touch Metcalf.

 

Out of all of your arguments I would argue against Nickall over Borschell the hardest.  What he did to Lewnes in the finals surprised everyone.  Nickall may get to that level by the time he is done, but he isn't there yet.

 

 

I am all for fans being fans.  You have stayed civil and I give you credit for that.  Still, you shouldn't drive or operate heavy machinery with those glasses on.  Serious injury would be inevitable............

[TBar1977 3,452]

Jim Martin could probably still beat McDonough. 

 

:-)

[Zebra 545]

 

Feel free to imagine. However, when you do predictions they still have to be grounded in reality.

 

 

Partisan political analysts ignore this advice all the time.