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Personally, I would live to see the tournament come to Chicago, but there just isn't a venue that would give a great experience.  United Center (seats 20,500) is a great arena but it is not in the greatest of areas and the surrounding area is still being redeveloped.  Given that you are right off the highway and near public transportation that could take you downtown right away.  There really is not any where within walking distance other than a handful of bars that could not handle the huge crowd coming from the arena between sessions.  Allstate Arena (seats 18,500 is another option with O'hare right next to it,a bar district down the street and a casino not to far away either. There really is not anything within walking distance to handle the crowd and traffic would be murder out in the suburbs where it is located.  Also its hard getting it here in Chicago with Midlands every year at Northwestern.  On a positive note it is in the midwest and Illinois would produce a outstanding crowd for the tournament.  It is just the supporting infrastructure that would be the biggest hurdle to overcome.

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I thought New York city was an awesome venue however I can understand how not everyone feels that way. The streets were packed and unless you're willing to spend money on cabs, you were walking. For our older fans, especially with some physical limitations, that could be very restrictive. It was also extremely expensive so I could see how anyone on a limited budget would feel frustrated; and yes there were no banners :-)

 

That being said, the options in-between sessions were awesome for anyone who wasn't limited by the two above. We left the hotel every morning and didn't make it back until that night. St. Patrick's Day we met a group of girls from Ireland at the Beerfactory and hung out in-between sessions and after the evening session listening to a great Irish band. Friday we stumbled into Times Square without realizing it and had a blast and then Saturday took the subway down to the 9/11 memorial. In the end, we left Sunday feeling like we got all we could get out of that trip and had some great experiences you just couldn't get in most other american cities. 

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You're never going to please everyone with the tournament's location, but when it's in major cities like Philadelphia and New York, there's a palpable energy surrounding it that you simply don't get in Oklahoma City, Des Moines, or even St. Louis. 

 

I'd really like to see the tournament land in Chicago if it's going to be held in the Midwest. 

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Using the endzone seating configuration would make it practical. This is the one that is used by Syracuse for their basketball program. Also, been used by the Frozen Four.

 

The reason I like it is because you could hold the fan fest on the football field. It would be in the same venue but out of the wrestling area. Another good location for the setup would be Atlanta.

 

This configuration makes basketball and ice-hockey able to hold more than a traditional arena (usually about 25k rather than 18k).

 

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It would certainly be interesting.  Won't all the empty space in the arena kill a large portion of the crowd noise?

 

I've been to Lucas Oil for football games and thought it was decent but I think not holding the tournament in a hockey/basketball arena would be odd.

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You're never going to please everyone with the tournament's location, but when it's in major cities like Philadelphia and New York, there's a palpable energy surrounding it that you simply don't get in Oklahoma City, Des Moines, or even St. Louis. 

 

I'd really like to see the tournament land in Chicago if it's going to be held in the Midwest. 

"palpable energy surrounding it"

I am not sure what energy you are talking about that is different than elsewhere. I asked employees at several eateries and bars about the tourney...... NOT ONE knew it was happening. That included a fancy restaurant right next to MSG.

I enjoyed my experience...... but it was swallowed up by the city. Basically unnoticed by the city and local citizens was my experience.

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I haven't mentioned Chicago as a site for the Individual tournament because of Midlands and because it is the obvious spot to hold a Team Tournament if the 8 or 16 participating teams are chosen during the year. Easy to fly to. A 1 day drive from anywhere except PAC-12 and a few Big 12 schools. Admittedly a long day from Oklahoma or Carolina. Don't know much about the United Center except that it is the biggest NHL arena excepting Montreal. However i have been in AllState arena for a graduation, don't know if it would suffice for individuals (but does have an AHL team), certainly would work for a dual tournament. It would be an easy walk from O'Hare terminal except I don't think you can walk from O'hare, no sidewalks or other walkways.

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"palpable energy surrounding it"

I am not sure what energy you are talking about that is different than elsewhere. I asked employees at several eateries and bars about the tourney...... NOT ONE knew it was happening. That included a fancy restaurant right next to MSG.

I enjoyed my experience...... but it was swallowed up by the city. Basically unnoticed by the city and local citizens was my experience.

 

If you didn't feel a different buzz, energy, and excitement to the tournament this year, I doubt anything I could argue will convince you to feel something you didn't.  I would note, however, that virtually every wrestler interviewed on ESPN throughout the entire tournament specifically mentioned the electric atmosphere of wrestling in New York and MSG.  You're not going to hear that about St. Louis next year or Cleveland the year after that. 

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I can appreciate the concerns that New York City did not do enough to embrace and celebrate the wrestling community when it came into town. I have contacted a few local businesses about a remedy and they have agreed to sponsor participation trophies to be distributed to everyone that attends next time they host the NCAAs. Then everyone who attends can feel sufficiently special!

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I haven't mentioned Chicago as a site for the Individual tournament because of Midlands and because it is the obvious spot to hold a Team Tournament if the 8 or 16 participating teams are chosen during the year. Easy to fly to. A 1 day drive from anywhere except PAC-12 and a few Big 12 schools. Admittedly a long day from Oklahoma or Carolina. Don't know much about the United Center except that it is the biggest NHL arena excepting Montreal. However i have been in AllState arena for a graduation, don't know if it would suffice for individuals (but does have an AHL team), certainly would work for a dual tournament. It would be an easy walk from O'Hare terminal except I don't think you can walk from O'hare, no sidewalks or other walkways.

 

The United Center is a perfect venue for the individual national tournament. 

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I can appreciate the concerns that New York City did not do enough to embrace and celebrate the wrestling community when it came into town. I have contacted a few local businesses about a remedy and they have agreed to sponsor participation trophies to be distributed to everyone that attends next time they host the NCAAs. Then everyone who attends can feel sufficiently special!

 

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...........

 

Classic!!

 

As long as there is flare (FLAIR), i will be there!!!!       

 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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I can appreciate the concerns that New York City did not do enough to embrace and celebrate the wrestling community when it came into town. I have contacted a few local businesses about a remedy and they have agreed to sponsor participation trophies to be distributed to everyone that attends next time they host the NCAAs. Then everyone who attends can feel sufficiently special!

 

Come on Jaro... how is AK going to make small talk with waitresses if they can't talk wrestling?

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For session 6 we were right in the heart of the PSU section, their fans were great and very respectful.  They wanted a stall call every time someone went out of bounds, but that's a nitpick.  They didn't mind me yelling and screaming for Imart during his match either, was very impressed with their fans.  Total respect...

 

Being a Chicagoan I would love it to be here, but there really is nothing around the United Center, including hotels.  Couldn't see that working, ditto with having it in Rosemont. 

 

And like JB has mentioned multiple times during these discussions in the past, the cities themselves have to bid for the NCAAs.  If the cities don't want the wrestling or don't want to make the proposal, it's not going to happen. 

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The United Center is a perfect venue for the individual national tournament. 

Only problem is that there is nothing around United Center that can hold up with the crowds and the neighborhood is still in redevelopment.  Don't get me wrong the arena is amazing and anyone who has ever been to a Hawks game knows how loud that place can get.  But, I just don't think it has the surround infrastructure that is within walking distance.  

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If you didn't feel a different buzz, energy, and excitement to the tournament this year, I doubt anything I could argue will convince you to feel something you didn't.  I would note, however, that virtually every wrestler interviewed on ESPN throughout the entire tournament specifically mentioned the electric atmosphere of wrestling in New York and MSG.  You're not going to hear that about St. Louis next year or Cleveland the year after that. 

When the Super Bowl was in New York a couple of years ago I remember Mike Greenberg (one of if not the most famous radio personalities at ESPN) saying that it was nice having the Super Bowl in New York City and having it somewhere new, but he said you could walk 2 blocks away from where everything was going on and people would have no clue the Super Bowl was in NYC. 

 

But I'm sure you're probably right on the whole "city in a buzz about wrestling" take.

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When the Super Bowl was in New York a couple of years ago I remember Mike Greenberg (one of if not the most famous radio personalities at ESPN) saying that it was nice having the Super Bowl in New York City and having it somewhere new, but he said you could walk 2 blocks away from where everything was going on and people would have no clue the Super Bowl was in NYC. 

 

But I'm sure you're probably right on the whole "city in a buzz about wrestling" take.

well the superbowl was actually going on in Meadowlands, surrounded mostly by parking lots and meadows (New Jerseyan for "swamp"). But Superbowl paraphernalia was all over the place, in new york city and new jersey. not to mention Bud Light parked a cruise ship in the middle of the Hudson to host parties all week long. 

 

not sure what any of that has to do with the NCAAs in Madison Square Garden. but anyway, here are the wrestlers themselves talking about the experience. 

 

https://twitter.com/ncaawrestling/status/712307856364560384

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It would certainly be interesting.  Won't all the empty space in the arena kill a large portion of the crowd noise?

 

I've been to Lucas Oil for football games and thought it was decent but I think not holding the tournament in a hockey/basketball arena would be odd.

Actually, it would be a fairly similar setup to Iowa's Grapple on the Gridiron. Of course, it would have better endzone seating for a six session event. I am not sure what the crowd noise was like in Iowa City but in a dome you wouldn't have the sound escaping like it does in a stadium. While it is possible it would have a different feel to it, if wrestling and the NCAA championship is growing like people say then we need to increase seating so more people can be a part of the championships.

 

I have heard that the Final Four is odd as well. Center field (not endzone) at a football stadium. But I always hear it is a spectacular that has people talking after they attend it since no one has ever been to such a big basketball game before. Wrestling would be like that I would imagine.

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I had said back when it was bid that NYC would not take over the city and no one would know it was going on. Bringing in 17k people for an event doesn't create a blimp on the scale in NYC.

 

It is the most expensive (and saturated) media market. You're not going to have people notice if they see a sign about wrestling. They will keep on going without giving it a thought.

 

I can understand why people have who grown to love how wrestlers takeover a city and have locals say 'wow, I didn't know so many people liked wrestling' would have found NYC disappointing. There is something special about having wrestling be noticed and respected.

 

With that said, NYC is big-time and it is a source of pride for a lot of people to be able to compete there. It is also the media hub and a lot of exposure comes out of the city.

 

It is kind of like the big fish in the small pond vs the small fish in a big pond. Which would you rather be? They both have advantages.

 

I like the event rotated around but have no problem with STL, Philly, NYC, or anywhere else. They all are different and that's good.

 

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Is there a place where the public can give their suggestions of cities for future sites to the people who decide the host cities?

Only cities that bid are considered and the bids are submitted via NCAA member schools or conferences. For instance, this year's championship was technically hosted by Hofstra.

 

If no school or conference office wants to partner then a venue (and city) is unable to bid.

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I had said back when it was bid that NYC would not take over the city and no one would know it was going on. Bringing in 17k people for an event doesn't create a blimp on the scale in NYC.

It is the most expensive (and saturated) media market. You're not going to have people notice if they see a sign about wrestling. They will keep on going without giving it a thought.

I can understand why people have who grown to love how wrestlers takeover a city and have locals say 'wow, I didn't know so many people liked wrestling' would have found NYC disappointing. There is something special about having wrestling be noticed and respected.

With that said, NYC is big-time and it is a source of pride for a lot of people to be able to compete there. It is also the media hub and a lot of exposure comes out of the city.

It is kind of like the big fish in the small pond vs the small fish in a big pond. Which would you rather be? They both have advantages.

I like the event rotated around but have no problem with STL, Philly, NYC, or anywhere else. They all are different and that's good.

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Well said!

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