pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Iowa will be fine going forward. Maybe not NCAA Champs, but still good. They have three finalists coming back. Gilman Clark Carton Sorenson Kemrer Marinelli or Paddock Paddock or Meyer Brooks Meyer or that other guy Stoll That's a solid team. What happened to DSJ's brother? Do folks think he'll crack next year's lineup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greco_gilligan 62 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Best imminently doable solution: get Spencer Lee to commit. Why would Spencer want to go to Iowa? I think yesterday prove if he wants to be a NCAA champ and also be a part of team championship, then he needs to stay home. So much for Iowa fans saying Cael can not coach lower weights as Megaludis took Gilman to the woodshed last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WRfan1 152 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Train harder. Heavier hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopdown 631 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Train harder. Heavier hands. Hire Evander Holyfield as coach? Low blow in Iowa's time of distress. Seriously, Iowa doesn't have to do anything different. Just keep working and the worm will turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,011 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Why would Spencer want to go to Iowa? I think yesterday prove if he wants to be a NCAA champ and also be a part of team championship, then he needs to stay home. So much for Iowa fans saying Cael can not coach lower weights as Megaludis took Gilman to the woodshed last night.I think they have the best lightweight coaching and room in the country. You may not agree because of one match. But it's hard to argue against their consistency at the lower weights. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Lee's ultimate career ambition is not college wrestling. Iowa has done better than just OK in freestyle as well, while the NLWC has yet to produce anyone. I'm not saying they won't in the future, as Cael is still building that club up, but if you're going to go by history and recent achievements, it's not even remotely close. PSU has a huge edge on location, but not in coaching lightweights. Incidentally, I have to imagine that tOSU is also a consideration given how well the freestyle program has done. I have no dog in this one, since I have no affiliation to those schools and respect all of them. Edited March 20, 2016 by wrestlingnerd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,598 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Iowa can only do what they can do. Brands will recruit pretty well but even when he lands a stud like Marinelli, Cael goes and finds the one guy who can really beat him in Mark Hall. Iowa will always be "in the hunt", but as long as Cael is landing the superstars then their ceiling is probably 2nd. 1 de4856 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jstock 125 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 PSU does not have edge in coaching lightweights? Nico just went 2-2-3-1, Conoway multiple time AA and Zain is champ. Cael seems to be doing fine with lightweights. As far as NLWC, I forgot, who does the guy that just beat Metcalf wrestle for ? Oh yeah, NLWC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishhook 142 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Why would Spencer want to go to Iowa? I think yesterday prove if he wants to be a NCAA champ and also be a part of team championship, then he needs to stay home. So much for Iowa fans saying Cael can not coach lower weights as Megaludis took Gilman to the woodshed last night. But Ohio State has more lower weight champs in recent years with Logan S, Nato and Jaggers. And Jaggers Stieber and Roselli are coaches there. Seriously he can't really make a bad choice. Hell he could go to Arizona St. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,598 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Someone posted what is being said on Twitter. Seems like Pennsylvania two top lightweights, both great friends with one another, are thinking a lot about PSU. Cael will reload. Edited March 20, 2016 by TBar1977 1 PSUMike reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,304 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) OSU is going to join Iowa in the "What are they going to do?" club soon. Its been ten years since their run and there isn't another one in the pipeline. Edited March 20, 2016 by Plasmodium Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishhook 142 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 OSU is going to join Iowa in the "What are they going to do?" club soon. Its been ten years since their run and there isn't another one in the pipeline. Oklahoma State or Ohio State....I assume the Cowboys. They have some talent too. Once Smith hangs them up I'm guessing that is your reference. Yeah that is a hard guy to replace for obvious reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,041 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Iowa can only do what they can do. Brands will recruit pretty well but even when he lands a stud like Marinelli, Cael goes and finds the one guy who can really beat him in Mark Hall. Iowa will always be "in the hunt", but as long as Cael is landing the superstars then their ceiling is probably 2nd. Man, it's amazing to watch people become so arrogant. I guess this is what the rest of the wrestling world had to deal with from Iowa fans, but it's just not a good look. 2 rstrong and mvattivo reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mpchillin 116 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Brands has had 6 different guys wrestle in the finals a combined 10 times in the past 9 years at 125 and 133 along with a total of 15 All-American finishes. Sanderson at ISU and PSU in those 9 years has 1 finalist a total of 3 times and 11 All-Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mpchillin 116 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Also of note, the 3 times that Iowa failed to All-American at those two weights during that span, they were all losses in the Round of 12. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Sounds like Brands would make one hell of an assistant coach. 1 VakAttack reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Spencer Lee can be the next Billy Murphy or Nate Moore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,041 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Sounds like Brands would make one hell of an assistant coach.Gotta respect funny, even if it's at your teams expense. 3 sbdude, brando413 and John Coctostan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greco_gilligan 62 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) I think they have the best lightweight coaching and room in the country. You may not agree because of one match. But it's hard to argue against their consistency at the lower weights. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Lee's ultimate career ambition is not college wrestling. Iowa has done better than just OK in freestyle as well, while the NLWC has yet to produce anyone. I'm not saying they won't in the future, as Cael is still building that club up, but if you're going to go by history and recent achievements, it's not even remotely close. PSU has a huge edge on location, but not in coaching lightweights. Incidentally, I have to imagine that tOSU is also a consideration given how well the freestyle program has done. I have no dog in this one, since I have no affiliation to those schools and respect all of them. Really, how many world medals have they racked up in the past several years. Metcalf and Ramos both have crapped the bed when the big lights comes on. I could be wrong but the last I remember Hawkeye wrestling club had a world medalist was with Zadick and that been some time ago and they ran him off. Hell, Ohio State, Nebraska, Nittany Lion wrestling clubs are at least producing world medals this decade. You can't say that with the Hawkeyes. Edited March 20, 2016 by greco_gilligan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,011 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Really, how many world medals have they racked up in the past several years. Metcalf and Ramos both have crapped the bed when the big lights comes on. I could be wrong but the last I remember Hawkeye wrestling club had a world medalist was with Zadick and that been some time ago and they ran him off. Hell, Ohio State, Nebraska, Nittany Lion wrestling clubs are at least producing world medals this decade. You can't say that with the Hawkeyes.Right. All those lightweight world medals. The entire country has had a drought at the lighter weights if you haven't noticed. Coleman Scott is the only guy and he's not even first in the freestyle ladder right now. The most recent lightweight gold we've had in forever belongs to a guy who didn't even wrestle in college so he could be trained by... Wait, I forget... Who was his coach? Edited March 20, 2016 by wrestlingnerd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) The inevitable Cejudo card. So are we suppose to ignore the fact he trained exclusively freestyle and never went to Iowa or was a member of their club? This discussion is about Spencer Lee going the college/RTC route and the fact of the matter is Iowa and their club hasn't produced a single world medal at any weight since Brands took over. Compare that with multiple medals for the NLWC and the fact they have the 2012 Gold medal winner at 145 on staff as well. Then throw in Mega as the most recent champ and that Penn State has a longer AA streak at 125 and it becomes very clear that Mr. Lee can certainly reach all of his personal goals while competing on a championship caliber team all while staying close to home. Edited March 20, 2016 by Flying-Tiger 1 TBar1977 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VakAttack 4,041 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 Lol at using an injured Matt McDonough to bolster your argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) McDonough was healthy enough to beat Mega and place second at BigTens that year. Fact is he was completely burned out by nationals. Sure he was dealing with a nagging injury, however the combination of a massive weight cut and 5 years in the Iowa room is ultimately what did him in. Edited March 21, 2016 by Flying-Tiger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mpchillin 116 Report post Posted March 21, 2016 Lol at longest streak of AA at 125. It's true but a very weak argument. His odds of becoming an AA or NC are just plain better if he chose Iowa. He would also have 3 to 4 of the best guys in the country at his weight to train with. That being said, I think he chooses Penn State. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 21, 2016 Mega couldn't handle McD's crusty headgear :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,598 Report post Posted March 21, 2016 Man, it's amazing to watch people become so arrogant. I guess this is what the rest of the wrestling world had to deal with from Iowa fans, but it's just not a good look. Its equally amazing watching a grown man and a midwestern lawyer at that get so broken hearted over his team not living up to his standards that he starts to attack people on the internet simply because they won't whisper sweet nothings in his ears. And the finals last night were still great, even if they were already over for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
