21guns 95 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 The real reason Ringer is so great, is because the man is stronger than an ox. Unbelievable strength, for his body weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 definitely only reason he is good... just meat head strength... got to be it... anyway... i did just get to watch hall v valencia... a really entertaining match... while valencia was fun to watch with all the jumping around and craziness (and he at least didn't devolve into a throwing slap punches ala basketball and/or 13 year old girl), i still think hall showed the better wrestling... much more technically sound... good on both of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhiferFuqua 187 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I have never been more impressed by DT than by Dake when they wrestled. Especially in freestyle, where Dake was clearly superior in every aspect. Valencia appeared to me to be the better athlete, had the match won with seconds to go, and took an unnecessary risk by going for another TD he didn't have to go for. And you seem like a guy with no axe to grind, so your level of impressedness will be a formidable hurdle for young Mr. Hall to overcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhiferFuqua 187 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) I have never been more impressed by DT than by Dake when they wrestled. Especially in freestyle, where Dake was clearly superior in every aspect. Valencia appeared to me to be the better athlete, had the match won with seconds to go, and took an unnecessary risk by going for another TD he didn't have to go for. . Edited April 3, 2016 by PhiferFuqua Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,003 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 And you seem like a guy with no axe to grind, so your level of impressedness will be a formidable hurdle for young Mr. Hall to overcome. I truly have no axe to grind since I had no favorite in that match. I was making an objective observation. Valencia gave that match away in the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Just rewatched Hall and Valencia. How the hell did Hall get that last TD? Valencia seemed to be in a much better position. Hall just knew to move when he did and Valencia's left arm was weirdly out of position and boom, Hall has the control from the side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,255 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Why were Hall's opening points 2 rather than 4? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Why were Hall's opening points 2 rather than 4? Bad call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,003 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I agree that was a bad call. Should've been 4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PANewbie 35 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 This is a strange comment. Why pick on the Dardanes? Chris is 3x all-American with a win over Steiber. Better credentials some other guys doing well like Kennedy for example. Lighten up Francis... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I truly have no axe to grind since I had no favorite in that match. I was making an objective observation. Valencia gave that match away in the end. Valencia didn't "give away" anything. Hall won the match. Deal with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 670 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Good tourney for Nick Heflin. Loses 4-2 first round to Winn then runs through rest of bracket to take 3rd. He has nice size and power for this weight class. Could become a factor over next four year cycle if he keeps competing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
josefsmoe 43 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Good tourney for Nick Heflin. Loses 4-2 first round to Winn then runs through rest of bracket to take 3rd. He has nice size and power for this weight class. Could become a factor over next four year cycle if he keeps competing. Glad someone mentioned this. I get it that competition not the greatest, but I was also happy about Heflin's performace. With his outstanding positioning and great counter offense he can keep almost any match close.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Hmmmm, good question on Hall's first 2 points. Hall gets in on low ankle (the way he did it showed either poor judgement or amazing confidence) opponent sprawled out with both hands on mat. Hall goes out back door and lifts high. Note, at point of lift, it was no longer from the feet. They were both down on the mat. Valencia is draped over Hall with both hands down. Doesn't that mean that the 4 point possibility is gone? No longer feet to back. Edited April 3, 2016 by nom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Headshuck. It is an honest question. I figure a lot of these guys have full time day jobs. Is that not the case? How can you be graduated from college and be low on the ladder and not have a full time job? How far down the ladder do stipends go? (Sorry for all edits, many typos when posting from my phone) Edited April 3, 2016 by nom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 That's fine, I guess I've never seen the question so it surprised me. There must be more than a few low-ladder guys struggling to make ends meet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 listen to what askren says... if you are 4th or lower on the ladder, you should just go to MMA and make a living... not sure i totally agree with that, but, there is a lot of truth to it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 596 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I have no bias either way. In fact, I'm probably more a fan of Hall than Valencia. But I don't see how anybody could think Hall has any more potential than Valencia after that match. He had the match won and should have probably shut down. Just saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Valencia's going to be kicking himself for giving that match away. He had Hall dead in the water, and somehow managed to not slam the door shut. Credit to Hall for capitalizing on Valencia's mistake and getting out of there with a win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I have no bias either way. In fact, I'm probably more a fan of Hall than Valencia. But I don't see how anybody could think Hall has any more potential than Valencia after that match. He had the match won and should have probably shut down. Just saying. Shutting down does not make the equivalent of winning. Hall might have taken him down anyway, shut down or no shut down. Again, Hall won the match. Hall is the better wrestler at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 1,140 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 Again... defying my own words earlier, Hall surprised me and pulled out the win, and this is considering his level of competition the past 4 months. Hall is currently the better wrestler, and the gap will widen as time continues to transpire, due to the fact that he will see "looks" like Valencia's now on a consistent basis, and most likely see even better "looks" from the like of David Taylor, Cael, etc. in the PSU Room, as well as training at OTC with Burroughs, Howe, and the rest of the top guys in the class. I see him winning "maybe" one match at OTTs.... maybe... but the future is VERY bright for Mr. Hall, PSU, and USA Wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 valencia tried everything he could... he obviously isn't going to be able to bully Hall or out technique him, so, he tried to clown wrestle him and jump all around like a crazy person... i get it... you got to try whatever you can... but, the more solid technique prevailed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,003 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 valencia tried everything he could... he obviously isn't going to be able to bully Hall or out technique him, so, he tried to clown wrestle him and jump all around like a crazy person... i get it... you got to try whatever you can... but, the more solid technique prevailed... He had ONE acrobatic move the whole match. He scored his first TD on the most fundamental technique of all, a go-behind. He was in on Hall's legs several times off of fundamental singles that had no "flash" to them. Valencia can wrestle with the best of his age group and has repeatedly proven it. It's not all athleticism and "clowning", as you call it. Hall won fair and square. In fact, I think he was cheated of two extra points because his first TD should've been 4. That doesn't take anything away from how impressive Valencia looked too. 1 GoNotQuietly reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) I've never watched the world championships and gone away thinking that unorthodox and acrobatic techniques don't work at the highest level.B. Saitiev = clown wrestling champion Edited April 3, 2016 by GoNotQuietly 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,003 Report post Posted April 3, 2016 I've never watched the world championships and gone away thinking that unorthodox and acrobatic techniques don't work at the highest level. B. Saitiev = clown wrestling champion Very fair point! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
