CoachWrestling 432 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 Is the 10 point tech rule enough in freestyle? I think it should be a bit higher, maybe 12 or 13. 10 just doesn't seem to be enough, especially considering how much easier it is to comeback from down 10 in freestyle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTimeFan 1,141 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 I think not.. I've said it before. Given that a takedown is two and there are unlimited points awarded for multiple guts and laces, it ends matches too quickly. If you go TD-Turn 2x TD-Turn it's over. Back when a TD was one point that would be 8-0 and someone would need another TD and turn or another two TD's to get to 10-0 and back when a TF was 15 points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbard 426 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 Don't get down by ten points. Make it nine. Like Pico. 3 Tofurky, newyorkwrestler and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 432 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 Don't get down by ten points. Make it nine. Like Pico. Well of course, doesn't mean the rule isn't too low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 i have no issues with it... every second of the match matters because it could be over with one takedown... can't get lazy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,606 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Many solid US wrestlers have got to get better at maintaining good freestlye positioning as they are going to the mat. When they fall into a position which allows for a good top wrestlers to easily transition to a lace or trap arm its game over. Even if it's 12 or 15 a good top wrestler will still secure the hold if the bottom guy isn't aware of his position and the match will stillend it in just one or two sequences. Edited April 30, 2016 by MadMardigain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newyorkwrestler 258 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 it doesn't matter if its 10 or 12 to me. maybe i think 12 is a little better but 10 is just fine. no sense in changing it now. however 15 is too high i think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbard 426 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 It used to be 6 for the round....not sure why we are still complaining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Spartan 205 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 That's enough, the rules are fine, maybe 1 point turn would be better, but I'm happy as it stands right now, and in my opinion nowadays the rules are at its best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 look at what lamont did to terao today... was down 7-0 in the second... one takedown and a few guts later, won the match 17-7... 10pts seems just fine to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 432 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) look at what lamont did to terao today... was down 7-0 in the second... one takedown and a few guts later, won the match 17-7... 10pts seems just fine to me That's anecdotal though. It used to be 6 for the round....not sure why we are still complaining. Just because the rules used to suck and are now better doesn't mean there still aren't possible improvements. Edited April 30, 2016 by CoachWrestling 1 ShortAmplitude reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hubbard 426 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 Tournaments are long enough. 10 points is fantastic. Real simple, don't get tenned. You do, you lose. Fair is fair. 1 GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repechange 184 Report post Posted April 30, 2016 Leave it at 10 but for both styles. Also bring back hand to hand and make TDs a single point again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 10 point near falls would be perfect if you couldn't do continuous guts/laces in par terre w/o holding your opponent in danger. That said, I'm 100% down with the "these are the rules and we aren't futzing with them no more" sentiment. 2 CoachWrestling and Eagle26 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 There should be no such thing as a Technical Fall. Wrestle the full time and for a pin. This baloney with multiple leg laces as Burroughs did in the trials is a farce. A guy gets 'on a roll' and the match is over? Make them wrestle and you would see some major blowouts as well as some surprising comebacks. If you want dominance, pin the opponent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 we have laughed about this at locals... you paid your fee... you should get your 6 minutes... 68-3 final... so what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 452 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) IMO, 10 points is fine because it keeps an element of excitement in matches. No one really tries to pin in Freestyle, so this gives us an quick way to end matches. Edited May 1, 2016 by GranbyTroll Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maligned 529 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Pins don't always come by the better wrestler either. Want to win? Don't get pinned. Want to win? Don't get down by 10. Very rare is the case that anyone will get down by 10 and win. With the gigantic youth tournaments and the short-rest international-style tournaments, I think it's a nice built-in advantage for dominant wrestlers and it's a nice way to keep fans engaged. As soon as a match is getting out of hand...it's done. No waiting out the final 2 minutes of a blowout where no one's trying any more. Edited May 1, 2016 by maligned 2 2td3nf and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 452 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 Plus, 10 points is a small enough margin that you realistically have a shot at getting it, making it more likely for wrestlers to attack and attempt for the tech when they're ahead. 2 Eagle26 and 2td3nf reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Sorry, but watching Burroughs get the quick rollovers and end the match at the trials - it looked like a bad joke. A good demonstration of why I don't think 10 is enough tho would prefer no TechFall at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maligned 529 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Sorry, but watching Burroughs get the quick rollovers and end the match at the trials - it looked like a bad joke. A good demonstration of why I don't think 10 is enough tho would prefer no TechFall at all. Again...is a pin then also a bad joke? It also comes quickly from dominant wrestlers. 1 PSUMike reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2td3nf 586 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 JB's takedown to that deadly lace was a work of art. Just beautiful. Hope he has a chock full of them in Rio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 2,093 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 ^this... he didn't just fall into either... he fished for it, got it, ended the match... very impressive JB has actually improved over the years, which, is a scary thought for anyone who has to wrestle him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShortAmplitude 15 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 The only knock on JB used to be his lack of a par terre game. Seeing him develop a lace as deadly as his double is incredible to see and well worth watching. Not a joke at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 10-12 points seems about right. The fun thing about freestyle tournaments is the cadence of matches. They go through the brackets fast! I like how the 10-point tech motivates competitors to crank things up and "sprint" through the match, go for the TS and move on as quickly as possible. If the technical superiority didn't exist (or if it was way too high), you wouldn't see blowouts; you'd see wrestlers sit on a lead, counter-wrestle only and try to expend as little energy as possible to advance. Boring. 2 uphillBronco and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
