OldGrappler 45 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 I watched this yesterday and enjoyed it much more than the professional actor version, or even the Prince of Pennsylvania 30 for 30 version. This one is entirely clips of life at Foxcatcher, and interviews with Strobel, Humphries, Jackson, and and others.....especially Nancy Schultz.... who were there at the time. It's much more of a wrestling insider's version. I recommend it. 1 denger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,361 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 Is this the project that Nancy Schultz talked about helping make during the time of the Foxcatcher movie which would highlight more Dave's life? Or is it an entirely different film? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TripNSweep 509 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 I watched it, honestly I didn't think it was as good as the ESPN one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldGrappler 45 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 Yes, it's the one Nancy referred to, I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fanta 48 Report post Posted May 1, 2016 Judging by that documentary Valentin Jordanov is a rich man!!!! 80% of the DuPont estate is a boatload of mula. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 651 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 Is the hidden story of Foxcatcher about a man who was afraid to develop a life outside of being a competitive wrestler? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denger 211 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 Is the hidden story of Foxcatcher about a man who was afraid to develop a life outside of being a competitive wrestler? Nope. It's about unsupported athletes holding onto a dream that some nutjob had supported, despite the risks of being associated with said nutjob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lil_red 1 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 I don't know about everyone else but I am about Foxcatchered out! The movie was not good. Did not helped our sport in any way. Any person I know that saw the movie made sure to tell me that they saw it and that it was not any good. Both documentaries are way better but the only reason I watch them is because I am a wrestling guy. A non wrestler does not watch either documentary. The movie wasn't that interesting and this story doesn't warrant 6 + hrs of your life. The Theatrical movie has ruined the story for me. Something I did hear in all 3 that I can't stand is the suggestion that our sport is low class or that only lower class of income can participate. I don't care who thought it or thinks that wrestling is low class. I would just prefer these words not being said on any platform about wrestling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnum 799 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 I watched the Netflix documentary last night with my wife. I thought it was very well done. The most poignant moment may have been when Danielle Schultz spoke about when she learned about DuPont's passing. The 30 for 30 was pretty good too but I thought this one was better. I wouldn't be surprised if people watch the Netflix documentary who have never seen the Hollywood film. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim L 268 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 I watched it last night. It focused more on the whole team rather than just Dave. I liked that Netflix showed interviews with more wrestlers. My wife (not a wrestling fan)not paying attention at all when it started and was about to do her own thing, but she got sucked in and was engrossed by the story. IMO, about the same as 30 for 30, which I thought was good, but there is not enough difference between the two documentaries and the movie that you would really need to see all three. ​ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
potdangerous 26 Report post Posted May 2, 2016 The biggest thing I notice was that while Mark was the focal point of the movie and featured in 30for30, he was nowhere to be found in Nancy's project. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,010 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 I have never had any desire to see the feature film; I know the story, and the pain of those who I care about who were very close to it, and have no interest in seeing it "dramatized". I did watch the Netflix documentary after seeing this post, and thought it did a great job on a number of fronts. Thanks for the recommendation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JurassicParker 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 I don't know about everyone else but I am about Foxcatchered out! The movie was not good. Did not helped our sport in any way. Any person I know that saw the movie made sure to tell me that they saw it and that it was not any good. Both documentaries are way better but the only reason I watch them is because I am a wrestling guy. A non wrestler does not watch either documentary. The movie wasn't that interesting and this story doesn't warrant 6 + hrs of your life. The Theatrical movie has ruined the story for me. Something I did hear in all 3 that I can't stand is the suggestion that our sport is low class or that only lower class of income can participate. I don't care who thought it or thinks that wrestling is low class. I would just prefer these words not being said on any platform about wrestling. Or maybe everyone you know that saw the movie has really bad taste in movies? Stylistically, it might not be for you but that doesn't mean it's not any good. Perhaps you're more of a Fast and the Furious type of movie goer. The film was well done and the acting wasn't anything to scoff at. 1 carp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 219 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 The biggest thing I notice was that while Mark was the focal point of the movie and featured in 30for30, he was nowhere to be found in Nancy's project. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk i think mark and dave were rarely there at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goiahawkeyes 7 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 This documentary blows the movie away! For Nancy to go back to the farm and go in the house they lived and stand in the driveway where Dave was shot was just unbelievable to me. Tons of great interviews...it's a must watch for wrestling fans. 1 Tofurky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotReady 14 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Really felt for Monday when he was talking about being hurt that others didn't leave after DuPont kicked out all the black athletes. Also, interesting to hear more of Chaid's story, and his shock at anyone staying after DuPont pulled a gun on him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,010 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Something I did hear in all 3 that I can't stand is the suggestion that our sport is low class or that only lower class of income can participate. I don't care who thought it or thinks that wrestling is low class. I would just prefer these words not being said on any platform about wrestling. Blue collar would be a more appropriate re-framing then low-class. You don't need much money to wrestle, and there is no amount of money you can pay to be great at wrestling (regardless of how many guys Dupont paid off to pin). There are very few of the 'base' sports where you can tout being the best at something that all animals engage in instinctively: wrestling, running, swimming, climbing, etc. 1 Tofurky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnum 799 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Correct me if I am wrong, but I think in each film the reference to wrestling being 'low-class' was in regards to how DuPont's mother felt about the sport. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Low-class, in that context, would simply mean less dignified and refined. No one is saying that is accurate as wrestling is a pursuit at some of the most elite prep-schools as well as in higher education (Ivies, UAA, Centennial, etc). It was merely important to paint the picture of how an 'old money' family viewed a sport in which they had little experience with and how it could lead to John being even more insular as his community of peers and family did not share or understand his interest. 1 Tofurky reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lil_red 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Yes they were talking about what DuPont's mother thought but it still bugs the crap out of me. I understand wrestling is a blue collar / white collar / any collar type of sport. Just quick to be defensive of the sport and worry how non wrestling types would view after watching. As far as the theatrical film - not worth watching twice. #PaulWalkerForever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
potdangerous 26 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 i think mark and dave were rarely there at the same time.I think you are right, but he wasn't even interviewed for commentary. I was expecting to hear from him since I was under the impression that Mark and Nancy had repaired their relationship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LJB 1,644 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 mark said he had no interest at all to be a part of the doc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBryant 1,724 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Asked Nancy directly about this on the latest Short Time podcast. It's pretty early in the interview http://www.mattalkonline.com/257 3 MisterHand, HuskyHero133 and swoopdown reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 219 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 Just finished. Absolutely fantastic. By far the best and most relevent info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerbufoon 40 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 Valentin Yordanov is a piece of sh!t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopdown 485 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 Asked Nancy directly about this on the latest Short Time podcast. It's pretty early in the interview http://www.mattalkonline.com/257 Just watched Team Foxcatcher (5 stars) and then listened to the podcast (awesome companion piece, well done). Thoughtful treatments of a so very still disturbing, heartbreaking event. So well done that I'm reluctant to (pollute the record?) watch the ESPN piece or see the movie. Eventually maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites