boconnell 1,628 Report post Posted May 21, 2016 What's Pico's best Folkstyle win ever? Just like Folkstyle success doesn't automatically translate, neither does Freestyle success. Some guys like Burroughs can have very little high level freestyle experience and use the same Folkstyle skills to great success. Others with similar skill sets cannot. We simply don't know what Pico is as a Folkstyler. He might be a Burroughs type guy who can go from one style to another in a few months without missing a beat. If he could, then I'd take him over Retherford because he has proven to be the bigger overall talent. But he could also get on a Folkstyle mat with no out of bounds, unlimited funk options, no fear of being exposed, riding time points, longer matches, forced mat wrestling, escape points minimizing the value of TDs, home crowds (and home crowd refs), schedules that include 5Xs more matches in the same time frame, far more restrictive weight rules, and much more. Who knows how that affects him. I am ok just saying Pico is the much better Freestyler and we will never know what he is as a Folkstyler since he didn't have a match after 10th grade. 2 tightwaist and Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewiebakes 7 Report post Posted May 21, 2016 So boconnell made a lot of my point(s). I think some people who assume Pico would dominate on his feet to the tune of multiple takedowns per period forget the defensive mind set to defending a shot is wayyy different. In college there's funk, out of bounds, more potentially dangerous situations, which could allow Zain to fight off takedowns he wouldn't in a freestyle match for fear of exposure. Also Zain's top wrestling was absolutely amazing, and you can't negate the energy expenditure it takes to actually earn an escape in the best possible situation, and just trying not to get turned which is more likely. It's almost a guarantee Zain scores on top, gets an escape so the real question is can Pico make up a potential 3-5 point deficit with takedowns and cutting him.... I don't think so Zain wins 8-6 1 hoppytoad reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
de4856 371 Report post Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) Well Pico has had the best of Zain in the past, but that's in the past. Zain pretty much worked everyone this year in D1, and I think he's getting much better and stronger. Right now I think if they went at it in either style it might be pretty fun and interesting to watch. I will say that since Pico has (presumably), been training mostly Freestyle now so Zain might have a little advantage there. Edited May 22, 2016 by de4856 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,437 Report post Posted May 21, 2016 lol Gwiz was certainly a better wrestler than Owings. I don't think I need to really elaborate on this train of thought - we all know where it's going. Also, to elaborate on my point earlier, I do think Zain Retherford is one of the most dominant wrestlers in college today, and will likely go down as an all time great. My earlier post made it seem like I wasn't impressed with him which is certainly not the case. Penn State has a very good one. I just feel Pico is a better talent overall. All Tim great in college or free? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nom 1,193 Report post Posted May 21, 2016 Shocking but I'm going to agree with FT here. Zain has done a ton to prove himself, in both styles now. Not saying he'd beat Pico in Freestyle bit I'd love to see the match now that we've seen Zain has been on a great learning / improvement curve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wnywrestling 71 Report post Posted June 8, 2016 Pico should wrestle Zain in folkstyle at the NWCA All-Star Classic. 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_Wrestler 328 Report post Posted June 9, 2016 Pico should wrestle Zain in folkstyle at the NWCA All-Star Classic. He's not enrolled in a college, so that would never happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,604 Report post Posted June 9, 2016 Who wins this hypothetical tag-team match? Retherford/Taylor vs. Pico/Dake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wnywrestling 71 Report post Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) He's not enrolled in a college, so that would never happen. The All-Star classic is an exhibition. Anything can happen. On a side note, is Pico eligible to enter open college tournaments (like Midlands)? Edited June 9, 2016 by wnywrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,437 Report post Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) The All-Star classic is an exhibition. Anything can happen. On a side note, is Pico eligible to enter open college tournaments (like Midlands)? Yes. Not sure do the specific requirements, but Pico is eligible. Edited June 18, 2016 by Housebuye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,069 Report post Posted June 18, 2016 High school wrestlers are NOT allowed in college opens. Goes back to before marstellar entered high school. When Pico graduated hs he can go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,437 Report post Posted June 18, 2016 High school wrestlers are NOT allowed in college opens. Goes back to before marstellar entered high school. When Pico graduated hs he can go.He did graduate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 It would be one for the ages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted March 22, 2017 If its such a forgone conclusion that Pico would mop the floor with Retherford, how would Molinaro do against Retherford? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 I just can't see him being at that level. Not in comparison to Dan Gable, or Cael Sanderson, or Wade Schalles, or Mark Shultz. Sorry about that. No apology needed. Your lack of vision should not be held against you when forming an opinion. Pico thumps him with little effort. He's just too much for any college wrestler his weight or below. Different level of athlete and competitor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Pico special talent, I thought he won that Olympic spot over Molinaro. Missed call. I don't think we heard the last of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Pico special talent, I thought he won that Olympic spot over Molinaro. Missed call. I don't think we heard the last of him. What call was missed? Not trolling, asking seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tightwaist 390 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Where do we rank Pico among the all time greats in freestyle? His hypotheticals are off the charts. 1. Smith 2. Bruce B 3. Burroughs 4. Monday 5. Pico Does this look about right? 1 KTG119 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopdown 628 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 The thing I hate about Pico's imaginary wins is that the video quality is so bad I can't even see him much less his opponents. And I really wanted to see him with one hand tied behind his back pinning Emam-Ali Habibi. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 tightwaist reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Where do we rank Pico among the all time greats in freestyle? His hypotheticals are off the charts. 1. Smith 2. Bruce B 3. Burroughs 4. Monday 5. Pico Does this look about right? 1. Pico Obviously number 1 considering he's never lost a match on these forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
josefsmoe 43 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Strange restart of an old thread. What is going on here? By the way, at this point, Zain kicks the crap out of Pico in folkstyle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cangemi 228 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Big ten thought Pico had 4 not 2 I thinkmatch 2 . I will check Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HawkFanactic1 63 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Pico definitely beats Zain. He doesn't play that hands to the face crap and had he focused on folkstyle, he'd have been an undefeated 4x NCAA champ with cake walk victories over ZR. Next question, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTenFanboy 1,790 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Pico definitely beats Zain. He doesn't play that hands to the face crap and had he focused on folkstyle, he'd have been an undefeated 4x NCAA champ with cake walk victories over ZR. Next question, please. Yea man... I mean Pico is so freaking good that he would have won 4 NCAA titles by his true freshman season, which would have concluded this year and have 3 more years of eligibilty left! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,533 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) Fanactic, Starting to agree with you regarding Pico. I now believe Pico beats Dan Gable in his prime. Probably by tech fall. Edited May 7, 2017 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
