GranbyTroll 454 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Waters loses on 3 cautions when his opponent earned 0 points while Waters earned 10. Water is winning the match 10-4. Waters scored all of his points offensively, and his opponent score all of his points via the Ref cautioning Waters: first for not presenting in par terre, then for false starting in par terre. With 0:15 left, Waters backs out of bounds and the ref offers Caution+ 2 for fleeing the mat (which would DQ Waters on 3 cautions), but the Judge and the Chair both confirm 1 for the step out. Brick thrown, challenge, refs overturn it to fleeing, Waters loses. I'm not Waters fan, but that looked more like Russian Senior Nationals than the USA University Nationals. 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glane18 73 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 God I hate the international refs. Do they not have any common sense about strategies and what not? He already scored 10 offensive points. 1 greco_gilligan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMardigain 1,637 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Maybe it's because I'm trying to view on my phone (mobile version), but trying to locate any specific live matches on Flo for these large events (several mats at once) is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Be nice to have browser que available at least around the quarter or semi finals on to know who is up where. 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,610 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 That sounds totally mess'd up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greco_gilligan 62 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 God I hate the international refs. Do they not have any common sense about strategies and what not? He already scored 10 offensive points. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,044 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 It sucks, but they have clearly set rules that many have been pushing for in College in regards to stalling. Not presenting in par terre and a false start in par terre are nearly impossible to ignore. Fleeing is open to interpretation, but when analyzing video in a review, its hard to ignore. It sucks for Waters, but you have to know the rules. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 454 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 It sucks, but they have clearly set rules that many have been pushing for in College in regards to stalling. Not presenting in par terre and a false start in par terre are nearly impossible to ignore. Fleeing is open to interpretation, but when analyzing video in a review, its hard to ignore. It sucks for Waters, but you have to know the rules. I'm fine with the fleeing call, but the other two were pretty bogus, IMO. Waters crawled the lock a little, so the ref hits him for Caution + 2. They restart in par terre, where Waters drops early for another Caution + 2. How often do you see refs let guys off with a verbal warning for either of those? It seemed like the ref was looking for a reason to hit Waters, rather than officiating the match correctly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoNotQuietly 1,175 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 I've said this many times before, but the idea that you have to let a guy lock up a gut wrench without defending seems ridiculously stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 454 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 How often do you see refs let guys off with a verbal warning for either of those? It seemed like the ref was looking for a reason to hit Waters, rather than officiating the match correctly. Quoting myself here, but in the 63kg finals, the ref gave a verbal warning for false starting in par terre. Like they always do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,044 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 I'm fine with the fleeing call, but the other two were pretty bogus, IMO. Waters crawled the lock a little, so the ref hits him for Caution + 2. They restart in par terre, where Waters drops early for another Caution + 2. How often do you see refs let guys off with a verbal warning for either of those? It seemed like the ref was looking for a reason to hit Waters, rather than officiating the match correctly. They all have to be confirmed by a ref at the table and you would think it would have to be pretty obvious for them to confirm it.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Greco-Roman is mostly awful in every way (minus the occasional cool throw). Get rid of it and add the weights to freestyle. Please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Greco-Roman is mostly awful in every way (minus the occasional cool throw). Get rid of it and add the weights to freestyle. Please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Disagree Just have to watch more of it ...then it will grow on you 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingjunkie 10 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 add weights to both. Benders idea is genius. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Waters loses on 3 cautions when his opponent earned 0 points while Waters earned 10. Water is winning the match 10-4. Waters scored all of his points offensively, and his opponent score all of his points via the Ref cautioning Waters: first for not presenting in par terre, then for false starting in par terre. With 0:15 left, Waters backs out of bounds and the ref offers Caution+ 2 for fleeing the mat (which would DQ Waters on 3 cautions), but the Judge and the Chair both confirm 1 for the step out. Brick thrown, challenge, refs overturn it to fleeing, Waters loses. I'm not Waters fan, but that looked more like Russian Senior Nationals than the USA University Nationals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 The best wrestler doesn't always win. In this case the guy who knew (and definitely played them) the rules won. Waters or his corner should of known 3 cautions gets you dq'd...should of given up takedown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ConnorsDad 596 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Huge MO fan and therefore rooting for Waters. Whether you like the rules or not is not pertinent to whether or not the cautions were justified. In Waters case, you have to know the rules. He should have been cautioned out. 1 Cletus_Tucker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 882 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 http://www.flowrestling.org/video/979435-59-kg-semifinal-alan-waters-missouri-vs-dalton-roberts-nmuots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Greco, no curr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,311 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 The last one was iffy. The other two were legit. Especially the head butts, which removed any sympathy I might otherwise have had. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,233 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 My expert opinion.... The slip at 1:00 in the first was really weak Not sure what the first caution and 2 was for, he has the right to defend Roberts was extremely slow in putting his hands on the back until he got his caution and 2 That last caution was horrible, the ref was very sketchy 1 GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cletus_Tucker 890 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 Greco-Roman is mostly awful in every way (minus the occasional cool throw). Get rid of it and add the weights to freestyle. Please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greco_gilligan 62 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) It is part of the new USA Wrestling training program for the athletes, to help desensitize them from getting screwed while wrestling abroad. The refs had to go through an intensive and thorough training program this spring. The final exam for them was to break down the officiating of the Russian National, to better understand the proper techniques of screwing a wrestler over. Edited June 4, 2016 by greco_gilligan 1 GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 I love it that everyone gets all disturbed when another one of their folkstyle heros self destructs on the Greco mat. As the saying goes ..if it were easy everybody would be doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GranbyTroll 454 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 I love it that everyone gets all disturbed when another one of their folkstyle heros self destructs on the Greco mat. As the saying goes ..if it were easy everybody would be doing it. Trolling 3/10 I don't see too many posts defending Waters, and I see a few questioning the integrity of the ref. Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
