KCMO2 683 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) No one currently associated with the program should even be considered. Mark Schultz or Pat Smith would be good choices. Assuming that you're kidding about Schultz and Smith. And not slamming the guy, but isn't Smith a convicted felon? I'd guess that would be a pretty big hurdle to overcome if he wants to be a head D1 coach. Edited June 27, 2016 by KCMO2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJwrestlingguy 106 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Hasn't Eggum pretty much taken over the Program a couple years ago? Doesn't seem to be going well. I'd be shocked if they hire him. Damion Hahn would be a great choice. Edited June 27, 2016 by NJwrestlingguy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repechange 184 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Smith had DUI issues but I am not sure that it was felony charges or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hammerlockthree 2,637 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Hahn vs. Trenge i like the way all your posts reveal you don't understand wrestling at all. 1 KingK0ng reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
powershouse 106 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Egging and Becker definitely have the most to lose in this debacle. Damn shame if their careers are derailed. Hahn is an east coast guy in a good spot. I don't see him coming back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
powershouse 106 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I've been impressed with how Perry coached Imar technically to defeat (thrash) Ness without falling for the funk, then mentally to overcome PSU this past year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoachWrestling 436 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Bono and Kish are good options. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,038 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 If Perry is so great then why does Illinois struggle to recruit their own state? They've finished 4th, 5th, 6th, & 6th in the B1G since Perry arrived. Count me in as someone who doesn't understand the Perry love. Why not one of the assistants at the programs that consistently beat IL? Regardless, i think he'd be a major step back from JRob. Eggum, Kish or Hahn would be better choices, IMO. 2012:Yep, I can't believe that Perry led Illinois to a 4th Place finish when PSU, Iowa, Minnesota and tOSU finished 1st,2nd,3rd and 5th at NCAA's that year. Illinois finished 7th with 4 AA's(4th,6th, 7th and 8th). 2013:In similar fashion, PSU, Minnesota, Iowa and tOSU finished 1st,3rd, 4th and 6th at NCAA's. Illinois finished 9th with 3 AA's(1st, 5th and 7th). 2014: Yet again PSU, Iowa, Minnesota and tOSU finished top 6 at NCAA's while Northwestern took 9th. Illinois finished 13th with a NCAA Champ(Delgado). 2015:All 5 teams that finished ahead of them(tOSU, Iowa, PSU, Minnesota, Nebraska) placed top 10. Illinois finished 12th with 2 AA's(1st and 4th). 2016:Finally, Illinois took 7th at B1G's finishing behind PSU, Iowa, tOSU, Nebraska, Rutgers and Michigan. However, they would go on to finished ahead of Rutgers and tie Michigan taking 9th at NCAA's. PSU, tOSU, Iowa, Nebraska finished 1,3,5 and 8. Illinois had 3 AA's(1st, 4th and 5th). It is a tad disingenuous to knock Perry for finishing behind Perennial powers like PSU, Iowa, Minnesota and tOSU. This is especially true since he is only the Assistant Coach. What IS pretty telling is that he has coached 4 NCAA Champs(they constantly credited Perry for getting them there) in 5 seasons and, of the 13 AA's he has coached in that 5 year timespan 8 of them where in the 157-174 range(his weight range). Very few Assistant Coaches, not coaching a perennial power, could duplicate that output. Finally, which Assistant is better, and more importantly available, from PSU, Iowa, tOSU or Nebraska? Snyder maybe? No one at Iowa is leaving. I don't see Roselli leaving and would be shocked if Cunningham left PSU. Perry is part of a very short list of up and coming assistants with the name recognition necessary to fit into Minnesota. He may not be the best choice, but he is a pretty damn good one! 2 powershouse and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,600 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Parry and Hahn would both make great choices, and they are asst. coaches so this would give them a chance to make their own mark. Edited June 27, 2016 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Parry and Hahn would both make great choices, and they are asst. coaches so this would give them a chance to make their own mark. Hahn is actually listed as "Associate Head Coach" at Cornell; gotta wonder if a long term plan for keeping him at Cornell has been discussed. That, and with two kids, maybe staying put would be the smart play for Damion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,038 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I know why you would want him to stay, but leaving to become Head Coach at your Alma Mater at a B1G program would be REALLY hard to turn down! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I know why you would want him to stay, but leaving to become Head Coach at your Alma Mater at a B1G program would be REALLY hard to turn down! After what is being done by the University admin to J-Rob? I'm not so sure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,600 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 After what is being done by the University admin to J-Rob? I'm not so sure... You do realize that what happened to JRob has nothing to do with Hahn? I trust you are also aware the Cornell basketball coach was fired this year and some people view what one of his players did as playing a part in his dismissal. Also that Cornell fired their Lacrosse coach a few years ago after a hazing incident. Crap happens everywhere. Your success or failure in life is 99% your own making and I'm sure Hahn knows that. 1 Flying-Tiger reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Your success or failure in life is 99% your own making and I'm sure Hahn knows that. But if that's really the case, much of the reasons given why Hahn would even want to make a change are just as insignificant, right? Bottom line for Hahn to accept an offer from U of M (assuming an offer is even given, because it still isn't even a foregone conclusion that there will even be a coaching change) will likely come down to... the bottom line. I'm sure Hahn, or anyone, has a number that will make him say yes (or no, as the case may be) but will U of M make that offer? I don't think that's a given here. And I don't think Hahn is going to jump just because it's his alma mater (he's spent more than twice as many years at Cornell now) or because it's a B1G program. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,038 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 1.)Money 2.)Prestige 3.)Full Control 4.)Alma Mater 5.)Best Conference Weigh those against current 1.)Money 2.)Familiarity 3.)Family setting 4.)Comfortability 5.)Ivy League and 1b.)When will he get a shot to become a Head Coach and how bad does he want to be one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smcfee 76 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I believe I have heard Cornell provides free tuition to employee dependents. Does Minnesota? That is a huge benefit if true, with Hahn having kids. Could make that offer have to be a little larger... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,134 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 This seems like a job, should it actually come open, that ought to go to someone with head coaching experience, unless they decide to give the job to Eggum, since it seems like he's been a sort of coach-in-waiting. Kish, Russell, Branch, Bono... any of them would seem to have the right kind of experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,038 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I have a hard time seeing an "In House" hire when the Head Coach is removed for this type of issue(regardless of the truth). I would think all the coaches would have some responsibility in this situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,600 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) I believe I have heard Cornell provides free tuition to employee dependents. Does Minnesota? That is a huge benefit if true, with Hahn having kids. Could make that offer have to be a little larger... If I am reading their website correctly, then no it is not free, just in state rates. https://humanresources.umn.edu/benefits/tuition-benefits Seems like something he could negotiate for in his contract. Edited June 27, 2016 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smcfee 76 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 If I am reading their website correctly, then no it is not free, just in state rates. https://humanresources.umn.edu/benefits/tuition-benefits Seems like something he could negotiate for in his contract. I think that one is for the staff member. But it directed me to this one and it still looks like just a partial. I know OU just offered that as a benefit beginning this year, and OKST was considering-I hope they hurry, i have 2 kids getting closer and closer! Cornell Children's Tuition ScholarshipCornell established the Cornell Children's Tuition Scholarship (CCTS) program to assist employees' children in reaching their higher education goals. The CCTS program provides the children of eligible employees a partial scholarship for study at Cornell or other accredited institutions. CCTS is administered by the Division of Human Resources, Benefits Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Plasmodium 2,307 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I wonder if Penn still offers free tuition? Some years ago, my brother had a friend with 5 kids. He sought and obtained a job @ Penn for that reason. Well over a million dollar bonus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronChef 1,134 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 Almost every college gives free tuition to employee dependents. There may be a requirement for a certain number of years of service, but it is a very common benefit to college employment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tec87 349 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Almost every college gives free tuition to employee dependents. There may be a requirement for a certain number of years of service, but it is a very common benefit to college employment. correct. One of my political science professors a few years ago mentioned this in class. He was deciding between accepting a position at central Michigan or another university and he said his deciding factor was that CMU had a better dependent tuition package. Some places it's 100% and others it's a percentage but it's at least breaks of some kind for staff members dependents. Edited June 27, 2016 by tec87 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,600 Report post Posted June 27, 2016 I wonder if Penn still offers free tuition? Some years ago, my brother had a friend with 5 kids. He sought and obtained a job @ Penn for that reason. Well over a million dollar bonus. They do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) I wonder if Penn still offers free tuition? Some years ago, my brother had a friend with 5 kids. He sought and obtained a job @ Penn for that reason. Well over a million dollar bonus. Did they have to meet the same academic requirements for enrollment as the at-large student population? Not being a wise guy here, but it's rather difficult to get admitted into Penn and the odds all 5 would get in are pretty low, heck the odds of getting one in is low under normal circumstances. Now Cornell, sure between the Ag school and Finger Lakes I could see that :-) Edited June 28, 2016 by Flying-Tiger 1 pipewrench reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
