Plasmodium 2,262 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 If people can put their troll aside for a minute -- can anyone on this forum honestly put themselves on that team, make the decision to pull rank and destroy his coaches like this? This whole thing seems spiteful to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 and destroy teammates. Since we are speculating, I have a feeling a jealous, disgruntled, parent was involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 29, 2016 You're kidding yourself if you think his actions were all about looking out for "his kids". The program is down and the last thing he could afford was a drug scandal and the loss of multiple wrestlers. If you don't think that was a factor you are very naive. Quite a different opinion is expressed here: http://www.flowrestling.org/article/43101-editorial-flosports-ceo-martin-floreani-on-j-robinson Interesting how many people who know J-Rob personally have spoken up on his behalf. "But I will honestly tell you that of all the people I’ve met, and of all the people I will know, J Robinson is the standard-bearer. He is a man of high integrity, of intense moral values, and has the kind of character every father hopes for when their child grows up." 1 TheOhioState reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 So ... I'm hearing no charges filed for wrestlers or coach. Correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 339 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 http://www.startribune.com/no-charges-against-u-of-m-wrestlers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/ A lot of the "facts" have now changed in this latest retelling. City and County both decline to bring charges against JRob. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffr_ideal 216 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 I know Ben Askren is doing the MMA thing, but would he throw his hat in the ring in the event of a J Rob exit? Could he get the job? I know he is high on DT, maybe bring him in as an assistant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 http://www.startribune.com/no-charges-against-u-of-m-wrestlers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/ A lot of the "facts" have now changed in this latest retelling. City and County both decline to bring charges against JRob. charges aside- article says 9th place was the worst in his 30 years. That's not correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) http://www.startribune.com/no-charges-against-u-of-m-wrestlers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/ A lot of the "facts" have now changed in this latest retelling. City and County both decline to bring charges against JRob. A lot of the "facts" have now changed in this latest retelling. City and County both decline to bring charges against JRob. Interesting quote. "But one official cautioned that the decision doesn’t mean innocence in a case where newly released documents reveal investigators were stonewalled at nearly every turn — including by coach J Robinson, who refused to turn over the names of student-athletes and documents in his possession, saying it would cause “carnage†to his program. Overall that article doesn't paint a pretty picture and is contrary to how certain people are trying to play this down or paint JRob as a saint only concerned with his wrestlers well being. There may be no charges however it's pretty clear that things did in fact occur as initially reported and that the timeline of events reflects more a concern over the negative impact the scandal would have on wrestling program and JRob's legacy. Edited June 30, 2016 by Flying-Tiger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Really? Geez I thought everything was going to come up smelling like roses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefatman 34 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Police Report: http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat1.pdf Wrestler essay submitted to JRob: http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat+wrestler's+essay.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Whatever was going through J Rob's head when he asked the police officer how he could help without doing complete carnage to his wrestling program, it didn't work out real well. Even though no charges will be filed, it is pretty easy to see there was a whole lot of trouble going on. Guessing they clean house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 my point being ...there was an affadavit .. The newspapers only picked out a couple items that seemed to favor their agenda, then went back to the same old recycled anonymous stuff. The only things new I saw was the three boxes the wrestlers had to choose from when they "confessed" (as the newspaper said) and that J Rob took a vacation. All the rest is old news as far as I'm concerned. I guess when JRob told the campus cop to go pound salt was new, but I figured he said that anyways. Really? The news media has an agenda here? Read the police report, then go back and read the Star Trib articles a 2nd time. The police report is lengthy. The Strib articles match up with it very well, so it would be very hard to say anything about the Star Trib coverage of this story other than that it was both fair and compelling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 From the Gopher board: "Just in the last 2 days, MPR, KARE 11 & FloSports have all basically stated that Lyden's initial report lacks integrity and didn't meet basic journalistic standards. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Even though no charges will be filed, it is pretty easy to see there was a whole lot of trouble going on. Guessing they clean house. Oh, no question there was trouble going on; but what still isn't out there in daylight includes: 1) What and how much did J-Rob notify the Administration about potential drug use and/or selling? And how did it correspond to what and when J-Rob knew certain things (keeping in mind, he likely did not receive the wrestler's statements of their involvement until AFTER he first notified the administration) 2) It appears that J believed he was acting within University policy when he offered amnesty to those who stepped forward and admitted their involvement. a) Was he directed to follow this policy? (This seems to be the case) b) Could he have reasonably believed he was following policy in the course he followed? If the answer to 2a and 2b are both yes, it may be difficult for the University to claim just cause for termination of his contract. Edited June 30, 2016 by redblades Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) The Strib articles match up with it very well, so it would be very hard to say anything about the Star Trib coverage of this story other than that it was both fair and compelling. That's not at all how some of STrib's peers see it: http://www.kare11.com/mb/entertainment/television/programs/breaking-the-news/reporters-notebook-gopher-wrestling-drug-scandal/224930346 Pretty scathing commentary on the some of the shoddy standards of reporting. Edited June 30, 2016 by redblades 1 tbert reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Really? The news media has an agenda here? Read the police report, then go back and read the Star Trib articles a 2nd time. The police report is lengthy. The Strib articles match up with it very well, so it would be very hard to say anything about the Star Trib coverage of this story other than that it was both fair and compelling. I guess if your main source of information is trash magazines, the star tribune is very compelling. It must be a sad day when you have to dig real deep to find something to trash someone's character with little or no evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Everyone was concerned that J Rob destroyed evidence. Was the question even asked by campus cop? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 920 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Police Report: http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat1.pdf Wrestler essay submitted to JRob: http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat+wrestler's+essay.pdf "Compete w Gilman and Tomasello" = 125 pounder"Set example for freshmen" = Soph or older "Dad flew out" = from the east coast Sounds like Ethan Lizak to me (125, Soph, PA) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammen 339 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 It didn't take an Engineer to figure that one out, but maybe a Mountain Hawk looking to feast on road kill to post a redacted name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flying-Tiger 617 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 You guys sure didn't have a problem throwing around Jack Bass' name over on the Guillotine earlier today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 Real classy guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 If Robinson did tall the cops he would not work with them he should be nailed to a cross after being fired. He is impeding law enforcement and reinforcing the kids idea that they are above the law. They are drug dealers and probably drug users as well. They are gaming the system and their coach is worse than they are. The University should fire Robinson and dismiss the entire staff and get rid of any wrestler that may be involved in any way. Clean house completely. Tough luck if some kids get felony records - their actions earned them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArmDrag14 64 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 If Robinson did tall the cops he would not work with them he should be nailed to a cross after being fired. He is impeding law enforcement and reinforcing the kids idea that they are above the law. They are drug dealers and probably drug users as well. They are gaming the system and their coach is worse than they are. The University should fire Robinson and dismiss the entire staff and get rid of any wrestler that may be involved in any way. Clean house completely. Tough luck if some kids get felony records - their actions earned them. Someone screw you over as a kid? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I bet everyone who reads these boards who cares at all already knows the name of the x-fer wrestler / drug supplier and the four dealers on the Minny roster. It took me 3 minutes on my first combination search to get all the names. Those who don't know the names probably don't care. I'm not going to name them, but after reading the poorly redacted police report I will say that finding their names was easy. Edited June 30, 2016 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I wish it was as easy to match up TheMat.com forum handles. Still trying to figure out who WillieBoy is. Edited June 30, 2016 by headshuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
