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#341 BigTimeFan

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 08:44 PM

Cletus, All, do we know who Russia is sending at 74kg this year? Is it Geduev again or did he move up?



#342 JasonBryant

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:43 AM

Khetik Tsabolov, 2014 World Champion at 70kg is Russia's entry at 74kg this year.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:49 AM

Shiraz, you have to forgive my American brethren. To the majority of USA international styles fans, the world centers mostly around USA and our athletes. Year after year it's the same thing. Nearly every American wrestler is predicted to bring home a medal, and more often than not, it seems Gold is the popular choice. I have tried unsuccessfully for years to temper expectations and to explain the enormous talent which exists outside our once proud borders, But do they listed?

I usually attend the world's and this year is no exception. I study all of the top international entries and I put together my best prognostication. What do the Americans respond with? Anger and vitriol mostly, and with 1 or 2 who are reasonable and realistic with their own assessments.

Shiraz this year UAS has assembled one of its better line ups and I look forward to possibly as many as 3 medals. Any more would be Santa coming early for our dedicated team and unrealistic fans. I don't have to tell you, you've seen some of the very abysmal predictions in recent past.

Some key weights of interest for me and potential match ups include at 57 kg, can Gilman negotiate through his bracket and face the Japanese? I'd love to see it.

Burroughs was destroyed last year at the Olympics. Can he get a rematch with his conqueror and reverse the result?

Cox returns to the big stage but now scouted and not necessarily with much time for improvement. Can he reach the podium as well How will he perform should he meet the Olympic champion from a weight below? Yazdani is absolutely magnificent. I would love to see this match up .

Snyder vs Sadulaev has been the buzz of the wrestling world. Who wins this super colossal mega match? 65 kg received a shot in the arm for USA after so many uninspiring efforts as a country collectively over the past several years, but can the new blood keep it going, or are we returning to mediocrity as this weight? Boy I'd love to have Pico here.

There are many story lines and a loaded world USA will have to contend with. Top 4 as a country is cause for a celebration. Best wishes to all


My old friend Cletus. I am looking forward to discussing the world championships with you as we have done the past few years. Your keen insight is always valued and appreciated by me. USA Wrestling has truely put forward a powerful team this year, and I look forward to seeing how they do.

I am happy to hear that you will be attending as you have the past few years. It was great to sit next to you in Vegas and discuss the tournament. Although Metcalf's catastrophic performance did dampen the mood.


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:54 PM

Shiraz, you have to forgive my American brethren.        To the majority of USA international styles fans, the world centers mostly around USA and our athletes.    Year after year it's the same thing.    Nearly every American wrestler is predicted to bring home a medal, and more often than not, it seems Gold is the popular choice.   I have tried unsuccessfully for years to temper expectations and to explain the enormous talent which exists outside our once proud borders,   But do they listed?    

 

I usually attend the world's and this year is no exception.  I study all of the top international entries and I put together my best prognostication.    What do the Americans respond with?    Anger and vitriol mostly, and with 1 or 2 who are reasonable and realistic with their own assessments.   

 

Shiraz this year UAS has assembled one of its better line ups and I look forward to possibly as many as 3 medals.   Any more would be Santa coming early for our dedicated team and unrealistic fans.    I don't have to tell you, you've seen some of the very abysmal predictions in recent past.    

 

Some key weights of interest for me and potential match ups include at 57 kg, can Gilman negotiate through his bracket and face the Japanese?   I'd love to see it.   

 

Burroughs was destroyed last year at the Olympics.   Can he get a rematch with his conqueror and reverse the result? 

 

Cox returns to the big stage but now scouted and not necessarily with much time for improvement.   Can he reach the podium as well    How will he perform should he meet the Olympic champion from a weight below?    Yazdani is absolutely magnificent.  I would love to see this match up .

 

Snyder vs Sadulaev has been the  buzz of the wrestling world.   Who wins this super colossal mega match?    65 kg received a shot in the arm for USA after so many uninspiring efforts as a country collectively over the past several years, but can the new blood keep it going, or are we returning to mediocrity as this weight?    Boy I'd love to have Pico here.        

 

There are many story lines and a loaded world USA will have to contend with.   Top 4 as a country is cause for a celebration.      Best wishes to all 

 

I take issue with Burroughs being destroyed. He lost a tough match to the eventual silver medalist (who perhaps should have won) and then quit. That is different than being destroyed. Actually I think quitting is worse. But he seems to be trying to atone for that. 

 

I agree with Cox analysis. If he is on and wrestling tactical I like his chances. If he has any kind of brain lock (Taylor number one) then there is little room for error. I see him as a possible medal but not to win.

 

Zain - close but par terre on top is weak (bow and arrow takes too much time). Lots of little international technique needed. I think he has potential but needs fine tuning in the style.

 

Gilman - Seems to have found his style.  Like a Saunders or Jackson. Did not win the title but maybe considered the best wrestler in that weight area. He seems comfortable wrestling FS and the pressure is off. I think that works for him. As a little guy he was also having so much fun.

 

Steiber - boy did a lot of guys come up to him. And scouted now. I see him giving up something and the depth being able to block off with a lead.

 

Snyder - Sadulaev - I think size gives it to Snyder this year. After this year all bets are off.



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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:02 PM

after saduleav has a cow injected into his butt...



#346 TBar1977

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:03 PM

Burroughs can win, but not a lock and maybe not favorite any longer.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:10 AM

Khetik Tsabolov, 2014 World Champion at 70kg is Russia's entry at 74kg this year.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 12:47 PM

After watching a few matches of some of the favorites here at 74, Tsabolov (RUS) looks real dangerous with potent offense at any time. Demirtas (TUR) looks like he likes to keep it close (and do nothing) and then strike at the end of the match to win it. Again, only saw a few of their matches.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 05:32 PM

My old friend Cletus. I am looking forward to discussing the world championships with you as we have done the past few years. Your keen insight is always valued and appreciated by me. USA Wrestling has truely put forward a powerful team this year, and I look forward to seeing how they do.

I am happy to hear that you will be attending as you have the past few years. It was great to sit next to you in Vegas and discuss the tournament. Although Metcalf's catastrophic performance did dampen the mood.

 

Brent Metcalf is someone I will always have a warm spot in my heart for.    The Iowa State Cyclone leaves a legacy one can point to and be proud of.   If not for international accomplishment, for effort and determination that became synonymous with his name.      I became so emotional in his last world tournament, I ripped off my Iowa warm ups and threw them to the floor, stomping on them and wiping my feet for good measure.  You were there, i was nearly ejected and had it not been for the classy Iranian contingent in the stands who offered refuge as security searched for me, I may have been expelled from the premises.    The Russian group was excellent and even the Mexican contingent who converged on the arena in support of their own were ruckus and energetic through out (I thought the Obama piñata was a bit much).    

 

Another world tournament is upon us and I'm as excited as always for the best wrestlers to showcase their skills.  We have a very good team and should challenge in most weight classes for placement matches.    This time I am no where as emotionally vested as i the Brent years and I look forward to no repeat of 2015.    I'd say Go USA!  But I am pulling for wrestlers from all  over the world.    


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:58 AM

Brent Metcalf is someone I will always have a warm spot in my heart for.    The Iowa State Cyclone leaves a legacy one can point to and be proud of.   If not for international accomplishment, for effort and determination that became synonymous with his name.      I became so emotional in his last world tournament, I ripped off my Iowa warm ups and threw them to the floor, stomping on them and wiping my feet for good measure.  You were there, i was nearly ejected and had it not been for the classy Iranian contingent in the stands who offered refuge as security searched for me, I may have been expelled from the premises.    The Russian group was excellent and even the Mexican contingent who converged on the arena in support of their own were ruckus and energetic through out (I thought the Obama piñata was a bit much).    

 

Another world tournament is upon us and I'm as excited as always for the best wrestlers to showcase their skills.  We have a very good team and should challenge in most weight classes for placement matches.    This time I am no where as emotionally vested as i the Brent years and I look forward to no repeat of 2015.    I'd say Go USA!  But I am pulling for wrestlers from all  over the world.    

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:04 AM

Cletus is a 10/10 troll. All trolls should aspire to his level of greatness
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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:49 AM

I take issue with Burroughs being destroyed. He lost a tough match to the eventual silver medalist (who perhaps should have won) and then quit. That is different than being destroyed. Actually I think quitting is worse. But he seems to be trying to atone for that. 

 

I agree with Cox analysis. If he is on and wrestling tactical I like his chances. If he has any kind of brain lock (Taylor number one) then there is little room for error. I see him as a possible medal but not to win.

 

Zain - close but par terre on top is weak (bow and arrow takes too much time). Lots of little international technique needed. I think he has potential but needs fine tuning in the style.

 

Gilman - Seems to have found his style.  Like a Saunders or Jackson. Did not win the title but maybe considered the best wrestler in that weight area. He seems comfortable wrestling FS and the pressure is off. I think that works for him. As a little guy he was also having so much fun.

 

Steiber - boy did a lot of guys come up to him. And scouted now. I see him giving up something and the depth being able to block off with a lead.

 

Snyder - Sadulaev - I think size gives it to Snyder this year. After this year all bets are off.

 

Wow, Burroughs quit?  

 

First time I've read that.   I prefer to give all credit to the opponent who blitzed the 4 time Olympic/world champion and was relentless in his efforts.   It was a dismantling unlike any I've see Burroughs take, save for perhaps vs Tsargush at the 2014 Worlds.    This to me is about redemption and about recapturing respect.       I hope he can do it.   I have him top 5.



#353 PSUMike

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:46 PM

Anyone know which FS weights go on which days?



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM

57-61-86-130 on Friday...the others on Saturday



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 05:41 PM

Here to eat crow.   I was tough on USA and did not give any benefits of the doubt,   They wrestled significantly better and far exceeded not only my expectations but also what I believed was possible.   burroughs proved it.  He is the man.  USA proved it.     A huge kudos to all.  






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