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#1 justafan

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:33 AM

We think we need to train at a RTC which is what hurts us we need everyone training under 1 roof.Our par terre defense is horrible because we stop bad guts in practice not many guys in the US have a good gut and our guys dont train together so they see 0 good guts in practice.If we want to be relavent in the world of wrestling we need some  serious changes.Will be interesting to see who freestyle hires as coaches hopefully  Hrovat,Rosselli or Kalika  



#2 Billyhoyle

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:36 AM

Pretty sure they already hired BIll Zaddick.  And the real value of the RTC system is that it allows our athletes to train full time and be supported by their Uni.  The problem is not the RTC system, it's that the wrestlers are already broken by the time they enter it.  



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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:40 AM

Change your style to FS.  That will make you better than Russia one day.


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#4 AKHUNTER

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:43 AM

We think we need to train at a RTC which is what hurts us we need everyone training under 1 roof.Our par terre defense is horrible because we stop bad guts in practice not many guys in the US have a good gut and our guys dont train together so they see 0 good guts in practice.If we want to be relavent in the world of wrestling we need some  serious changes.Will be interesting to see who freestyle hires as coaches hopefully  Hrovat,Rosselli or Kalika  

this is sooooo true.



#5 crablegs

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:46 AM

Our training system is broke because our best wrestlers spend their peak years training a different style.  They can't defend a gut because they're busy working on hand control and standups.  


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#6 CoachWrestling

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:49 AM

Change your style to FS.  That will make you better than Russia one day.

 

We don't have enough coaches to change to freestyle. 



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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:52 AM

Our training system is broke because our best wrestlers spend their peak years training a different style.  They can't defend a gut because they're busy working on hand control and standups.  

this right here... all that wasted time learning how to stall out and gain the ride out point...


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#8 Billyhoyle

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:53 AM

We don't have enough coaches to change to freestyle. 

This isn't a good argument.  We definitely have enough coaches.  Sure, they will have to learn a new style, but they are wrestling coaches and will do it.  It looks like you're a wrestling coach from your user name...You should know that wrestling coaches eat/breathe wrestling.  They definitely aren't doing the job for the money or because it's convenient.  We could have a series of technique videos produced by USAW, Burroughs, Smith, etc that go through the rules/techniques.  And a series of coaching clinics across the country.  


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#9 CoachWrestling

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:55 AM

This isn't a good argument.  We definitely have enough coaches.  Sure, they will have to learn a new style, but they are wrestling coaches and will do it.  It looks like you're a wrestling coach from your user name...You should know that wrestling coaches eat/breathe wrestling.  They definitely aren't doing the job for the money or because it's convenient.  We could have a series of technique videos produced by USAW, Burroughs, Smith, etc that go through the rules/techniques.  

 

It's a great argument. 90% of coaches never wrestled freestyle and don't understand the rules. I think that if we switched to freestyle we would lose A LOT of coaches who have no interest in coaching what is basically a completely different sport.


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#10 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:56 AM

If we change to freestyle, we will have more than enough coaches within two years. There is far more wrestling talent than there are jobs in this industry. Not enough coaches is a poor reason not to make the switch. Frankly, there are no good reasons not to make the switch.

Edited by wrestlingnerd, 19 August 2016 - 03:57 AM.

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#11 Billyhoyle

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:58 AM

It's a great argument. 90% of coaches never wrestled freestyle and don't understand the rules. I think that if we switched to freestyle we would lose A LOT of coaches who have no interest in coaching what is basically a completely different sport.

They won't walk out on their athletes.  The coaches I know don't coach wrestling because of they are familiar with the style..They do it because they like the competition and believe in the values the sport imparts on the athletes.  They know what the sport did for them and want to pass it on.  Maybe your experience is different, but I think they will adjust.  


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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:59 AM

none... you create a better product for the wrestler and fans alike and you exponentionally help our wrestlers be more successful on the international stage...



#13 Jaroslav Hasek

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:05 AM

the RTC's aren't whats holding back USA wrestling. 



#14 Old_Marine_Wrestler

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:13 AM

Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?


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#15 LJB

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:16 AM

yes... only those who fall prey to jingoism failed to recognize it...



#16 Flying-Tiger

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:19 AM

Exactly Marine. Burroughs loss had nothing to do with his folk training. He won 3 consecutive world titles straight out of college. If anything training exclusively freestyle has had negative affect on him. Maybe he's lost a step, maybe training wasn't as good, could be a lot of things that led to this loss however wrestling in college wasn't one of them.

Edited by Flying-Tiger, 19 August 2016 - 04:20 AM.

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#17 T-nigs23

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:21 AM

Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?


Burroughs and greens styles are similar and suited for free. Snyder trained freestyle in his most formative years and most notably his senior year of high school. I bet if Kyle never went to the OTC he would not have been a world champ.
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#18 wrestlingnerd

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:21 AM

Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?


And despite those highly unexpected performances by a couple of individuals, how did we do as a country? What does it tell you when a literally historic achievement and a major over-performance by one of our guys (albeit at a thinned out non-Olympic weight) still doesn't get the job done for us?

#19 Billyhoyle

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:22 AM

Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?

It was just as broken as it was in 2007, 2008, and 2009 when we took 1 medal, and 2010 when we took 0.  Snyder is a guy who spent his Sr. year of highschool wrestling freestyle, and then half of this year doing the same.  He's not the best case to keep folkstyle.  



#20 T-nigs23

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:23 AM

Exactly Marine. Burroughs loss had nothing to do with his folk training. He won 3 consecutive world titles straight out of college. If anything training exclusively freestyle has had negative affect on him. Maybe he's lost a step, maybe training wasn't as good, could be a lot of things that led to this loss however wrestling in college wasn't one of them.


More like training exclusively for freestyle allowed him to keep that edge that otherwise would've been negated by people scouting his double leg.

Edited by T-nigs23, 19 August 2016 - 04:24 AM.





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