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We think we need to train at a RTC which is what hurts us we need everyone training under 1 roof.Our par terre defense is horrible because we stop bad guts in practice not many guys in the US have a good gut and our guys dont train together so they see 0 good guts in practice.If we want to be relavent in the world of wrestling we need some  serious changes.Will be interesting to see who freestyle hires as coaches hopefully  Hrovat,Rosselli or Kalika  

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Pretty sure they already hired BIll Zaddick.  And the real value of the RTC system is that it allows our athletes to train full time and be supported by their Uni.  The problem is not the RTC system, it's that the wrestlers are already broken by the time they enter it.  

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We think we need to train at a RTC which is what hurts us we need everyone training under 1 roof.Our par terre defense is horrible because we stop bad guts in practice not many guys in the US have a good gut and our guys dont train together so they see 0 good guts in practice.If we want to be relavent in the world of wrestling we need some  serious changes.Will be interesting to see who freestyle hires as coaches hopefully  Hrovat,Rosselli or Kalika  

this is sooooo true.

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Our training system is broke because our best wrestlers spend their peak years training a different style.  They can't defend a gut because they're busy working on hand control and standups.  

this right here... all that wasted time learning how to stall out and gain the ride out point...

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We don't have enough coaches to change to freestyle. 

This isn't a good argument.  We definitely have enough coaches.  Sure, they will have to learn a new style, but they are wrestling coaches and will do it.  It looks like you're a wrestling coach from your user name...You should know that wrestling coaches eat/breathe wrestling.  They definitely aren't doing the job for the money or because it's convenient.  We could have a series of technique videos produced by USAW, Burroughs, Smith, etc that go through the rules/techniques.  And a series of coaching clinics across the country.  

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This isn't a good argument.  We definitely have enough coaches.  Sure, they will have to learn a new style, but they are wrestling coaches and will do it.  It looks like you're a wrestling coach from your user name...You should know that wrestling coaches eat/breathe wrestling.  They definitely aren't doing the job for the money or because it's convenient.  We could have a series of technique videos produced by USAW, Burroughs, Smith, etc that go through the rules/techniques.  

 

It's a great argument. 90% of coaches never wrestled freestyle and don't understand the rules. I think that if we switched to freestyle we would lose A LOT of coaches who have no interest in coaching what is basically a completely different sport.

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If we change to freestyle, we will have more than enough coaches within two years. There is far more wrestling talent than there are jobs in this industry. Not enough coaches is a poor reason not to make the switch. Frankly, there are no good reasons not to make the switch.

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It's a great argument. 90% of coaches never wrestled freestyle and don't understand the rules. I think that if we switched to freestyle we would lose A LOT of coaches who have no interest in coaching what is basically a completely different sport.

They won't walk out on their athletes.  The coaches I know don't coach wrestling because of they are familiar with the style..They do it because they like the competition and believe in the values the sport imparts on the athletes.  They know what the sport did for them and want to pass it on.  Maybe your experience is different, but I think they will adjust.  

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Exactly Marine. Burroughs loss had nothing to do with his folk training. He won 3 consecutive world titles straight out of college. If anything training exclusively freestyle has had negative affect on him. Maybe he's lost a step, maybe training wasn't as good, could be a lot of things that led to this loss however wrestling in college wasn't one of them.

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Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?

Burroughs and greens styles are similar and suited for free. Snyder trained freestyle in his most formative years and most notably his senior year of high school. I bet if Kyle never went to the OTC he would not have been a world champ.

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Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?

And despite those highly unexpected performances by a couple of individuals, how did we do as a country? What does it tell you when a literally historic achievement and a major over-performance by one of our guys (albeit at a thinned out non-Olympic weight) still doesn't get the job done for us?

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Was the system broke last year when Burroughs and Kyle Snyder won gold - and non- NCAA champ James Green took bronze?

It was just as broken as it was in 2007, 2008, and 2009 when we took 1 medal, and 2010 when we took 0.  Snyder is a guy who spent his Sr. year of highschool wrestling freestyle, and then half of this year doing the same.  He's not the best case to keep folkstyle.  

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Exactly Marine. Burroughs loss had nothing to do with his folk training. He won 3 consecutive world titles straight out of college. If anything training exclusively freestyle has had negative affect on him. Maybe he's lost a step, maybe training wasn't as good, could be a lot of things that led to this loss however wrestling in college wasn't one of them.

More like training exclusively for freestyle allowed him to keep that edge that otherwise would've been negated by people scouting his double leg.

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Snyder is a guy who spent his Sr. year of highschool wrestling freestyle, and then half of this year doing the same. He's not the best case to keep folkstyle.

Not to speak of the fact that Snyder himself refuses to train folkstyle EVEN DURING FOLKSTYLE SEASON. What does that tell you of his opinion on whether folkstyle helps his freestyle career or not?

 

There are some arguments for folkstyle that could make some sense, but Kyle Snyder is not one of them. He is the poster boy for why training in freestyle is the way to go if you want to compete in freestyle. No lesser authorities than John Smith and Jordan Burroughs have stated this vey fact recently on the record, and we still have guys arguing folkstyle is a great way to train freestyle. Holy shizznit!!

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I hate to break it to you guys but wrestling doesn't get this countries best athletes. If we switched to freestyle there is distinct possibility we would struggle at the world level anyway. It's very naive to think folk is the source of all usa troubles and absurd to bring it up in the context of Burroughs loss.

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The sheer numbers of our population should negate that argument tiger. Look at Cuba, most of they're best athletes play baseball but they are still monsters. The same goes for just about every other country including Russia. We should ask Abdulla how popular wrestling is in Russia I bet they don't have every little boy wishing to grow up to be wrestling superstars. I bet soccer, hockey and possibly basketball are more popular overall in Russia.

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And despite those highly unexpected performances by a couple of individuals, how did we do as a country? What does it tell you when a literally historic achievement and a major over-performance by one of our guys (albeit at a thinned out non-Olympic weight) still doesn't get the job done for us?

It tells me people typing away on keyboards think they know what the problems are and out of frustration are pointing fingers and posturing blame at a "system", because a very talented wrestler was beaten.

 

I wonder if the followers of the Japanese women are doing the same since Yoshida was beaten by a woman she had defeated previously and, although she is a World Champion (at a thinned out non-Olympic weight), was not an Olympic medalist?

 

Blame Burroughs and Dennis performance on the coaches - after all, they should be thrown under the bus like the Greco coaches, right?

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I agree it is absurd to blame folkstyle for JB's loss. JB's loss is squarely on his shoulders. He wasn't prepared, period.

 

And I don't see too many guys suggesting that if we switched to freestyle, we'd become the new Russia.

 

The salient argument is that switchin to freestyle will make us more competitive in freestyle. That's it. How well we'd do is certainly up for speculative debate, but whether the switch would help our guys compete better or not is not!

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