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I wish we knew how Spencer did in training for Denis. I'm confident technique wise he is there, but did Denis rag doll Jim or was Spencer competitive or better even?

I'm sure he did ok for his age, but let's not forget.  Spencer is a boy.  Dan Dennis is a full grown man.

 

Same thing with Mark Hall at the OTT.  He's great for his age, but Howe manstrength'd him badly.

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Give me fix just because everyone else is picking Lee. Fix beat him 2 of 3 last time they met. That to me is the only relevant fact in this discussion.

 

 

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Fix beat Lee 2 out of 2.     

 

That said, what does it for me, is if you watch the opposition each guy wrestles, Fix has much more physical opponents.   It' s night and day.    It looks like Lee is steam rolling kids, but Fix opponents look lie young men.   I've got to go with the Oklahoma star on this one.   Can't wait, should be great.   

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Everybody references the 2 previous matches, but if you actually watch them...you realize that Lee controlled both matches for the overwhelming bulk of the action.  His problem in the first was that he was actually too aggressive.  He could have put his track shoes on the last 20 seconds and would have coasted to a win.  But, he ends up attacking with a lead and getting exposed.  You would have to think Lee would be a little more strategic if/when they meet.  Moreover, he was giving up probably 8-10 lbs. in that match.  You can eyeball the size difference in the two.  Not a gimme for Lee, but he just seems to have more weapons in his arsenal.  If you take a guy down 5 times to 2, more often than not you are going to win those bouts. 

 

From a folk style perspective, I absolutely would put money on Lee.  He is better on the mat than on his feet.  I think if he gets a TD on pretty much anyone, then they are going to endure a beating on the bottom.  You saw what Karam did to Fix when they wrestled folk.  He controlled him on the mat.  Fix is better suited for Free.  Lee seems to excel at both. 

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Everybody references the 2 previous matches, but if you actually watch them...you realize that Lee controlled both matches for the overwhelming bulk of the action.

 

Agreed. This is exactly why I think it's easier for Lee to make adjustments than it is for Fix to replicate the same strategy to win again.

 

That said, when they meet again, it'll be more than two years later, and lots can change when you're as young as these kids are.

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Well, it's a ways off and I'm really going out on a limb here, but if it's true that Lee is walking around at 130ish right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the Senior spot at 57 in 2017. 

 

Again, would love to know how Spencer matched up against DD while preparing for the Olympics. I'm guessing Lee was beating DD in the practice room. (C'mon, someone in the know - tell me I'm wrong.)

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I'll bet two testicle last to one that Lee was not beating Dennis. Yet.

 

He is very, very good, but come on, now. He almost lost to a 110 lb kid a few days ago. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dennis prevailed domestically at a weight that included the likes of Olympic medalist Coleman Scott, Ramos, Garrett, Graff, and other senior studs.

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I'll bet two testicle last to one that Lee was not beating Dennis. Yet.

 

He is very, very good, but come on, now. He almost lost to a 110 lb kid a few days ago. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dennis prevailed domestically at a weight that included the likes of Olympic medalist Coleman Scott, Ramos, Garrett, Graff, and other senior studs.

I don't think anyone was thinking Lee was beating Dennis. The question was more like, did Lee ever score or turn him in practice matches? Was Lee able to stop Dennis' gut? Was Lee able to defend? How often?

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I don't think anyone was thinking Lee was beating Dennis. The question was more like, did Lee ever score or turn him in practice matches? Was Lee able to stop Dennis' gut? Was Lee able to defend? How often?

No. The comment was that he thought Lee was beating DD in practice. My opinion: no way in hell that was happening.

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I am sure that no one that is close enough to know the specifics is going to post them on here.  But, Brands was recently quoted(paraphrasing) as saying Lee was doing all the right things to get back to 100% and is such a freak that it is moving along on a much faster pace than normal.

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Spencer Lee is expected to make a full recovery according to everyone who has a vested interest in saying so but even if that is absolutely correct the open questions are (1) how long will it take, and (2) given his torn labrum, is there something going on with the kid that is making these types of injuries more likely? Bad training, bad anatomy, bad attitude (I have no reason to believe this, but people who don't listen to coaches and trainers can get themselves into trouble). 

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Well we know Fix will be our guy this year in Finland, and I sure hope he does well. He looked very good at Vegas, and qualified himself at Lincon. But that is against Domestic competition, hopefully he's training well and can improve upon his Bronze medal performance. As for next year it will be interesting to see, if Fix stays at the Jr. level and goes up to 60. Does Lee go Jr.'s at 55? Or do the new weight classes that will be unveiled by the UWW, change the thinking here? I believe that the UWW will make an 80 Kg and a 52 Kg class. And if this occurs, I could see Lee making a go of it at 52. Hopefully Lee's rehab is going well, and returns to his old form.

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Good point BTF.    

 

Lee is very small, and because of the level he's at, he's gone with some bigger , higher level guys (Dennis for example) for his best competition.   He's been significant'y injured at least twice now and his durability has to be a concern.    He's usually been the big dog in competition, but what about in the practice room?  The knee is bad enough, but the shoulder's the one which mostly stands out to me as a potential chronic issue.   Hope he gets these injuries behind him.   Super talent.    

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Well we know Fix will be our guy this year in Finland, and I sure hope he does well. He looked very good at Vegas, and qualified himself at Lincon. But that is against Domestic competition, hopefully he's training well and can improve upon his Bronze medal performance. As for next year it will be interesting to see, if Fix stays at the Jr. level and goes up to 60. Does Lee go Jr.'s at 55? Or do the new weight classes that will be unveiled by the UWW, change the thinking here? I believe that the UWW will make an 80 Kg and a 52 Kg class. And if this occurs, I could see Lee making a go of it at 52. Hopefully Lee's rehab is going well, and returns to his old form.

Fix isn't eligible for juniors after this year

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Never too early to start the conversation. Who do you think wins this match and makes the junior world team at 55 kg?

 

I always thought Lee was the better prospect, but Fix juts keeps getting better--he is elite.  Fix is naturally bigger.  I take Fix at this point because of his trajectory.  We shall see, but I doubt Lee gets four or even more extravagant goes undefeated.  If I am wrong, good for him, but I doubt it.  I think Lee will have injury problems.  Even if he doesn't, I think Fix will be at his level. 

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Geez, so sure. If Lee grows more, I can see the argument, but my fear is that Lee hasn't wrestled anyone recently with Fix's strength and physicality, hasn't been pushed in years and Fix may once again surprise him. 

 

Plus Lee has had two injuries in HS.  I doubt college will be less demanding. 

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Do we need to? Doesn't the fact that of all the Americans around his weight, Dennis chose Lee say something? I know Lee is now soon to be a Hawkeye, and that had something to do with it, but do you really think Dennis would pick a guy he could walk all over to be his partner for the most important tournament of his entire life? If Lee could give Dennis a good, hard workout, that speaks volumes about his ability to handle bigger, more physically mature guys. I'm sure Dennis beat him up, but I brought this point up because you suggested Lee had not been physically challenged and that's certainly not true.

 

Dennis is kind of a Fruit Loop, so I say it means little.  Results?

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