Gantry 1,872 Report post Posted September 22, 2016 Entrants are starting to be announced, Martin in at 184: http://s300.trackwrestling.com/tw/PortalPost.jsp?TIM=1474566636627&twSessionId=bituyfthrlcndpx&postId=126176071 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted September 22, 2016 Any guesses who he will wrestle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smedley 467 Report post Posted September 22, 2016 Gotta love the All-Star Classic. It is always a joy to listen to the guys at Flo complain about ESPN covering the event and how the NWCA powers that be do not understand how television is a worthless medium for broadcasting the event. It will essentially be a complete 360 from their complaints about how NBC did not provide any coverage of Helen Maroulis on television. To sum it up, if Flo is not broadcasting the event then it is trash and they will continue to spin this yarn. 1 SC_Wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,451 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Any guesses who he will wrestle?Maybe Gabe Dean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 882 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Gotta love the All-Star Classic. It is always a joy to listen to the guys at Flo complain about ESPN covering the event and how the NWCA powers that be do not understand how television is a worthless medium for broadcasting the event. It will essentially be a complete 360 from their complaints about how NBC did not provide any coverage of Helen Maroulis on television. To sum it up, if Flo is not broadcasting the event then it is trash and they will continue to spin this yarn. How is it a 'complete 360' ? thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smedley 467 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 How is it a 'complete 360' ? thanks. From my observations there's flip-flopping on Flo's view of how well television can be utilized to present the sport. Last year's All-Star Classic being televised on ESPN was considered a crappy move by the NWCA. Whereas, the perceived lack of coverage of Helen Maroulis on NBC was considered a crappy move aka a "slap in the face." I find Flo's discordant views on the utility of televised broadcasts in relation to the sport to be a conundrum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowrestle 697 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 From my observations there's flip-flopping on Flo's view of how well television can be utilized to present the sport. Last year's All-Star Classic being televised on ESPN was considered a crappy move by the NWCA. Whereas, the perceived lack of coverage of Helen Maroulis on NBC was considered a crappy move aka a "slap in the face." I find Flo's discordant views on the utility of televised broadcasts in relation to the sport to be a conundrum. Okay but get to the point smart guy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redblades 322 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) Maybe Gabe Dean? Possibly, unless Dean moves up to 197 to wrestle Cox, as had been put forth earlier this past summer. Another Cornellian I would like to see considered (although I don't expect he'll be on the top of the invite list) would be Palacio - he'd certainly provide an entertaining match with whoever! (Hint - Iowa, Ok. St., Mizzou, tOSU, Va Tech homers - this is your cue! I'd add PSU as well, but those homers generally need no prodding!) Edited September 23, 2016 by redblades Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smedley 467 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Okay but get to the point smart guy!Flo is butt hurt because they have been slighted (in this case by the NWCA and NBC) and they sh!t talk the coverage of the events that they aren't covering. No one really cares though because there's this odd belief that Flo is growing the sport. 1 SC_Wrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobDole 1,231 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 A 360 puts you right where you started...don't you mean a 180? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smedley 467 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 A 360 puts you right where you started...don't you mean a 180?Yes, I appreciate ur insight Mr. Dole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,451 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Flo is butt hurt because they have been slighted (in this case by the NWCA and NBC) and they sh!t talk the coverage of the events that they aren't covering. No one really cares though because there's this odd belief that Flo is growing the sport.Flo is growing the sport. They cover duals and tournaments that would never have been aired in the past. They also put a spotlight on our up and comers in a way that promotes them far more than they have ever been promoted before. Why do you think they don't help grow the sport? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,603 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Love Flo. They had a great segment yesterday on which weight classes are "LOCKS". They talked about each #1 and the then the contenders to try and answer the question of whether or not anyone is a LOCK to win their weight class. Flo provides more wrestling conversation in one episode of FRL than ESPN does the entire off season. 2 PSUMike and Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUMike 445 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Love Flo. They had a great segment yesterday on which weight classes are "LOCKS". They talked about each #1 and the then the contenders to try and answer the question of whether or not anyone is a LOCK to win their weight class. Flo provides more wrestling conversation in one episode of FRL than ESPN does the entire off season. Yep. And I still think they're nuts for saying IMar is a lock. Prohibitive favorite? For sure. But new weight class, guys he's never wrestled before, and a much deeper weight than 157 leave me reluctant to call him a lock. 1 TBar1977 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,603 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Yep. And I still think they're nuts for saying IMar is a lock. Prohibitive favorite? For sure. But new weight class, guys he's never wrestled before, and a much deeper weight than 157 leave me reluctant to call him a lock. I actually don't mind them calling I Mar a lock. I think the guy is probably a 90% chance to win it, but there is that other 10% that I just don't think is there for Snyder, Cox or Zain. No one has mentioned this anywhere in that other thread, but I Mar and Isaac Jordan have wrestled in college already. Happened right at the start of the season two years ago and I Mar won by 2 points. One takedown. Would not take much to reverse that outcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PSUMike 445 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 IMar was just so much stronger than everyone at 157. I'm not ready to say the same thing up a weight. Undoubtedly the favorite but I need more data points before I'll say lock, especially with the level of talent at 165. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Gotta love the All-Star Classic. It is always a joy to listen to the guys at Flo complain about ESPN covering the event and how the NWCA powers that be do not understand how television is a worthless medium for broadcasting the event. It will essentially be a complete 360 from their complaints about how NBC did not provide any coverage of Helen Maroulis on television. To sum it up, if Flo is not broadcasting the event then it is trash and they will continue to spin this yarn. Willie's article trashing NBC was embarrassing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justafan 123 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 IMar was just so much stronger than everyone at 157. I'm not ready to say the same thing up a weight. Undoubtedly the favorite but I need more data points before I'll say lock, especially with the level of talent at 165. Size wont be a factor at 157 he wasnt able to lift to grow he was lifting to stay lean that has changed and he has put on some size Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 I'd love to see a mayes/Sorenson match at 149. I don't think anyone will be competitive with zain so I'd rather see a match we haven't seen before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,451 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Yep. And I still think they're nuts for saying IMar is a lock. Prohibitive favorite? For sure. But new weight class, guys he's never wrestled before, and a much deeper weight than 157 leave me reluctant to call him a lock. I completely agree, and I picked iMar over Nolf all 3 times (oops...) Big iMar fan and I think he is more likely to win 165 the anyone else, but he showed some vulnerabilities last year at NCAAs and he is going up into the 2nd most stacked (if not most stacked) weight class that includes a healthy mix of top ranked recruits and established veterans. I don't think IJO vs iMar is a lock for iMar for example. I feel the same way about Logan Massa and Anthony Valencia. I am picking iMar in all of those matches, but each on their best day could beat him and he may have to beat all 3 in the same tournament. This also doesn't include Daniel Lewis, Vincenzo Joseph, and other solid guys who I don't think will beat him, but may or may not have the skills to do so. At 157 there were two threats to him; Nolf and Kent State. Both almost beat him, but to iMar's credit, he won. Now he is moving up into a more stacked weight class and will have more than two guys who can challenge him I think. I really hope he becomes as 4 timer. I really hope he doesn't lose in the finals in 2018 to Mark Hall or something. That would be so frustrating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,451 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 I'd love to see a mayes/Sorenson match at 149. I don't think anyone will be competitive with zain so I'd rather see a match we haven't seen before. I like it! I hope somebody challenges Zain this year. I think he has a bright future internationally and I want him to keep being pushed in matches to get him to his best. I know he is being pushed in the room everyday by Olympians, but it is important for him to get his butt kicked sometimes in actual matches I think. It will help him continue to improve. I don't see who could really challenge him though. Maybe Micah Jordan is he has improved and is feeling good? That is a stretch, but I don't know who else... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) 133- Tomasello vs Micic 149- Heil vs. Sorensen 149- M. Jordan vs Mayes 157- Zain vs Nolf 165- I. Jordan vs Lewis L. Massa vs. Martinez (mini-bracket) 174- B. Jordan vs A. Valencia 184- Martin vs Z. Valencia 197- Dean vs Cox Hwt- Snyder vs Gilman and Clark Edited September 23, 2016 by LemonPie 1 Housebuye reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,451 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 133- Tomasello vs Micic 149- Heil vs. Sorensen 149- Ashnault vs Mayes 157- Zain vs Nolf 165- I. Jordan vs Lewis L. Massa vs. Martinez (mini-bracket) 174- B. Jordan vs A. Valencia 184- Martin vs Z. Valencia 197- Dean vs Cox Hwt- Snyder vs Gilman and Clark One correction. Snyder vs Gilman and Clark in MMA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,012 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Don't think a freshman has ever wrestled in the All-Star Classic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBryant 2,119 Report post Posted September 23, 2016 Not since it moved to a preseason event. Cael wrestled in it as a freshman in 98-99 season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
