TBar1977 3,317 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 Nickal may not bonus much at all. At 174 last year, he had 2 bonus points. At 184 this year I imagine he matches that. It is a way tougher weight class. Bo is a bonus machine against lower level guys. Against the top guys he "just" wins. If you are setting the bonus at 2 then I will take the over at NCAA's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver-medal 665 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 What the Bucks did this weekend was impressive in ways that are not typical of Ohio State. This team shows more passion and aggressiveness than any coached previously by Tom Ryan. That said, it's a brutal year in D1. PSU is loaded and as was pointed out...there is no one to slow down Retherford (he's just that good) or Nolf (he's almost that good and the weight is sort of empty). Okie State has a ten deep lineup and Iowa is very tough as well. Next best are Va Tech and Mizzou. Am I crazy to think this might be one of the best fields at the top in modern D1 history? 1 stp reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 697 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) I'll play along, let's consider current expectation but also realize there's a big freshman factor involved, a bit more for one than the other, but: OSU (wrestlestat rank) tOSU 125: NP (9) – Likely 8-r12 TE 5th-6th JRod (30^) - Likely finish: R12. Top End: 5th-8th. 133: KB (4) Likely 3-6 TE 1-2 NaTo (1) - Likely finish: 1st-4th. Top End: 1st. 141: DH (1) Likely 1-2 TE 1 Keyshawn (7) - Likely finished: 5th-8th. Top End: 3rd-4th (and that's a stretch). 149: AC (6) – Likely 4-7 TE 3 MiJo(5) - Likely finish: 3rd-6th. Top End: 2nd. 157: JS (3) – Likely 2-5 TE 1 Ryan (21)- Likely finish: DNP. Top End: R12. 165: CR (4) – Likely 5-8 TE 4 Burcher (28) - Likely finish: DNP. Top End: R12. 174: KC (6) – Likely 4-7 TE 3 BoJo (1) : Likely finish: 3rd (as always). Top End: 1st. 184: NB (4) – Likely 4-6 TE 2 MyMar (9): Likely finish: 5th-8th. Top End: 3rd-4th. 197: PW (11) – Likely 4-7 TE 3 Moore (18): Likely finish: 5th-8th. Top End: 3rd-4th. HWT: AS (19) – Likely 8-r12 TE 6 Snyder (1): Likely Finish: 1st-2nd. Top End: 1st. Likely: 9 AA’s 1 champs TE: 10 AAs 3 champs Likely: 7 6 AA's, with two champs, two in the 3rd-6th range, three in the 5th-8th range Top End: 8 7 AA's, with three champs, four in the 2nd through 4th range, one in the 5th-8th range ** both of above look like totally unrealistic homer calls considering there's a whole bunch of other great wrestlers who are gonna get in the way of these expected results, but relative comparison ... Edited December 5, 2016 by ionel 1 treep2000 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PA Power 36 Report post Posted December 5, 2016 Keshawn Hayes out for the year. Pletcher's shirt has been pulled and he will go to 141. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,336 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 No chance for OSU (either of them). Penn State will roll, easily, again. For the life of me I can't figure how Oklahoma State is ranked over PSU. Bias? Tradition? PSU will hammer the field at NCAAs, guaranteed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maolsen 94 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 No chance for OSU (either of them). Penn State will roll, easily, again. For the life of me I can't figure how Oklahoma State is ranked over PSU. Bias? Tradition? PSU will hammer the field at NCAAs, guaranteed. Well if thats the case they shouldnt bother keeping team scores, its early December and Penn State is already the 2017 Ncaa national champs everyone! 1 NYWRESTLER94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bucksfan 67 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Saves me a bunch of time and money. Thanks Tobus!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,360 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Do you consider Burcher at 157? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 220 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Do you consider Burcher at 157? no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bucksfan 67 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Do you consider Burcher at 157? Personally I would like Burcher at 157, think he fairs better there. Sadly, him being coaches kid not withstanding, Jake is going nowhere and lineup is actually better with Burcher at 165...by like a **** hair tho Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 1,336 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Saves me a bunch of time and money. Thanks Tobus!! You should send me 10%. If you think Ohio State is the favorite over PSU....I'd also like some of what you've been smoking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,360 Report post Posted December 6, 2016 Personally I would like Burcher at 157, think he fairs better there. Sadly, him being coaches kid not withstanding, Jake is going nowhere and lineup is actually better with Burcher at 165...by like a **** hair tho Yeah, it's close. 165 is so tough that I'd consider it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bucksfan 67 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 You should send me 10%. If you think Ohio State is the favorite over PSU....I'd also like some of what you've been smoking. PSU is definitely favored with a healthy lineup, no doubt in my mind they the best team. There are a number of things that could happen to derail their chances is all I'm saying. What if just one of the hammers gets injured between now and then and can't compete? Thats 20-25 pts right there. Or a couple guys take an upset loss early and are unable to get back through backside? Or a hammer on another team gets upset and drops down into consis vs a PSU wrestler who was predicted to finish 3rd-4th...all the sudden they are knocked out. Weird stuff happens man. If I was to bet $ it would def be on PSU. Is it a lock though? No way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 1,820 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 PSU is definitely favored with a healthy lineup, no doubt in my mind they the best team. There are a number of things that could happen to derail their chances is all I'm saying. What if just one of the hammers gets injured between now and then and can't compete? Thats 20-25 pts right there. Or a couple guys take an upset loss early and are unable to get back through backside? Or a hammer on another team gets upset and drops down into consis vs a PSU wrestler who was predicted to finish 3rd-4th...all the sudden they are knocked out. Weird stuff happens man. If I was to bet $ it would def be on PSU. Is it a lock though? No way PSU will likely score fewer points than last year at 125, 133, 174, 197 Same points at 141, 149 More points at 157 (1st from 2nd), 165 (maybe?) 184 (likely but loaded class) and heavyweight. Interesting to look at. At this point with current results in mind, they are likely to AA at 125, 149, 157, maybe 165, 184, and maybe heavyweight. That is the same number of AAs as last year. They had 4 finalists last year. This year they have two very likely, 184 maybe and 125 a longer shot maybe. They will likely score fewer points than last year overall and are relying heavily on Bo, Vincenzo and Suriano to perform up to their hype, along with Nevills staying healthy. They are the favorites, but not by much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 2,367 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 That is all true but what if Cael decides to put Hall in? I have no idea how likely that is but in theory he has a duty to the school first and the athlete second and Hall at 174 would undeniably improve PSU's chances by a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,360 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 That is all true but what if Cael decides to put Hall in? I have no idea how likely that is but in theory he has a duty to the school first and the athlete second and Hall at 174 would undeniably improve PSU's chances by a lot. Hall would still have to prove himself at Midlands/Scuffle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYWRESTLER94 220 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 Highly doubt he pulls Halls shirt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 425 Report post Posted December 7, 2016 ^ I'll second that. 1 NYWRESTLER94 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites