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Rank the Top In-Season Individual Tournaments

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To throw a few more out there that may remain in consideration... or may not:

 

Cheesehead

Beast of the East

Powerade

Dvorak

 

Talk people! Why should(n't) these be included and which other in-season individual tournaments make for great action among some of the top individual high schoolers in 2016-17?

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Throw the Pennsylvania (AAA) and California state tournaments in there somewhere too.  

 

While those are indisputably mean tournaments, I'm not looking to include those in the list due to the fact that they are post-season.

 

 

The Clash in Mn for teams is very tough.

 

There's no question that The Clash is the single toughest dual team tournament in the country, but let's stick with individuals in this thread.

 

Since it is a thread I started, I'll give it a run and you all can add/change/tear apart as you see fit. (Intermat rankings used)

 

1. Ironman - Walsh Jesuit (OH) - Probably the closest to a national in season tournament we'll see. This is easily the crown jewel of high school wrestling during the season.

 

2. Beast of the East - Newark (DE) - Ups and downs in previous years with teams, but seems to really have a solid mix of teams and individuals from across the country to make this the second toughest in-season tournament out there. Eight top 50 teams, including three top 10s and five top 15. Hard to argue with the depth of this tournament this year.

 

3. Powerade - Canonsburg (PA) - 50 REALLY solid teams, most from the king wrestling state of Pennsylvania, makes this number three when you add in the amount of out of state talent making their way to be part of this tournament. Three teams in the top 20 and five total in the top 50 in the tournament this year.

 

4. Doc Buchanan - Clovis (CA) - The Tirapelles have done an amazing job of attracting the best in California, as well as outside of the state. You have the #s 2, 6, 24, 28 and 38 teams committed, with possibly the #34 showing up to one of the top five toughest wrestling states in the whole country. This could rival the Powerade, and maybe even Beast of the East, if a few more teams can find the money to venture out to California in years to come.

 

5. Cheesehead - Kaukauna (WI) - Used to be up near number two for the teams it attracted, but the Cheesehead has gone back to being more regionally represented. Six teams in the national rankings sitting between 18 and 40; three each from Illinois and Iowa.

 

6. Reno Tournament of Champions - Reno (NV) - an absolutely MASSIVE tournament, of the 88 teams that show up, five are in the top 50, including number 16 Allen, TX and #19 Choctaw from Oklahoma.

 

And here is where I am stuck...

 

What other tournaments out there are high fliers? The Yukon Jay Hancock Memorial in Oklahoma? Has the Al Dvorak Memorial (Illinois) lost steam? Is Escape the Rock in Pennsylvania starting to make waves? Is there a steep drop off after the top six tournaments or are there tournaments out there not yet mentioned that rival Cheesehead, Reno and others this year?

Edited by Tofurky

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It's not in the top 5 when it comes to the teams invited (although Blair has wrestled in it), but I'd put the Geary Tournament on par with any in the country when it comes to tradition/history. No seeding....how can you not love first round matches with the 3A and 4A state champs fighting to advance?

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The Clovis Doc Buchanan Invitational in California is by far the toughest tournament in the western United States and top 5 overall. This tournament attracts California's elite and in the last several years has seen an increase of out of state teams (PA, NJ, CO, NM, NV, WA) and nationally ranked individuals. Truly a great event and professionally ran. 

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Indiana is consistently the 9th or 10th best state in the country in terms of nationally ranked guys, but it is severely limited by the state's governing body, the IHSAA, for being able to create any super tournaments because of its strict travel regulations in all sports that forbid traveling more than 300 miles from the state's borders AND forbid competing against anyone that is more than 300 miles from our borders. This may not seem extremely limiting since there are plenty of national-level programs nearby, but big-time programs from Illinois or Ohio don't want to come to strict regional events when they can use their travel funding on something bigger over the holidays when these events inevitably take place.  And we can't go to any of the biggees within our 300-mile radius because others from far off don't have to follow our rules, they of course come to compete, and we are therefore disqualified.

 

The best in-state individual event is the Al Smith Classic in Mishawaka, a 32-team event that always has 8-10 of the top 20 in-state teams, several future collegians per weight class, several state champs or kids ranked #1 in-state, and usually several nationally ranked kids and a nationally ranked program or 2. Unfortunately, that's the best our limitations have produced. Sorry to disappoint. :)

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AND forbid competing against anyone that is more than 300 miles from our borders. 

 

 

What is the rationale for this? As long as the Indiana school doesn't travel more than 300 miles, why does anyone care how far other teams may have travelled?

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What is the rationale for this? As long as the Indiana school doesn't travel more than 300 miles, why does anyone care how far other teams may have travelled?

 

 

I think that's what he's saying. The Indiana school can't travel to a school more than 300 miles from the border.

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Indiana is consistently the 9th or 10th best state in the country in terms of nationally ranked guys, but it is severely limited by the state's governing body, the IHSAA, for being able to create any super tournaments because of its strict travel regulations in all sports that forbid traveling more than 300 miles from the state's borders AND forbid competing against anyone that is more than 300 miles from our borders. This may not seem extremely limiting since there are plenty of national-level programs nearby, but big-time programs from Illinois or Ohio don't want to come to strict regional events when they can use their travel funding on something bigger over the holidays when these events inevitably take place.  And we can't go to any of the biggees within our 300-mile radius because others from far off don't have to follow our rules, they of course come to compete, and we are therefore disqualified.

 

The best in-state individual event is the Al Smith Classic in Mishawaka, a 32-team event that always has 8-10 of the top 20 in-state teams, several future collegians per weight class, several state champs or kids ranked #1 in-state, and usually several nationally ranked kids and a nationally ranked program or 2. Unfortunately, that's the best our limitations have produced. Sorry to disappoint. :)

gimpeltf think it's more than that

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The "spirit" of the Indiana travel rule is curbing excess travel, limiting the days of missed school, and encouraging genuine time off at school vacation times. The reasons for restricting competition against other teams who may be allowed to travel further are a bit unclear, but the IHSAA's standard response to "why" has always been, "there's plenty of competition nearby" and "you've got 9 months to travel as much as you want and face whoever you want." I don't believe Indiana is the only state with a travel rule like this, and it may exist in part as a common effort with other states to implement the "spirit" of student first/athlete second.

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The "spirit" of the Indiana travel rule is curbing excess travel, limiting the days of missed school, and encouraging genuine time off at school vacation times. The reasons for restricting competition against other teams who may be allowed to travel further are a bit unclear, but the IHSAA's standard response to "why" has always been, "there's plenty of competition nearby" and "you've got 9 months to travel as much as you want and face whoever you want." I don't believe Indiana is the only state with a travel rule like this, and it may exist in part as a common effort with other states to implement the "spirit" of student first/athlete second.

 

That's crazy! I'm sorry you have to deal with that sort of thing. What the IHSAA chooses to do isn't going to have any impact up on any other state governing body or program. While I understand the 300 mile rule in regards to time away from school, I fail to see their rationale what other teams from other states choose to do with their own budgets. Has anyone approached the Indiana state body about opening up the Al Smith to bring in more competition? I guess you could take the approach of, "if we cannot go to them, we can bring them to us."

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Here is some more info from ETR:

scape the Rock alumni have a rich tradition of success in the college ranks.  In 2015-2016 alone, ETR alumni earned the following accolades:

 

1 NCAA DI Champion

6 NCAA DI All Americans

20 NCAA DI National Qualifiers

1 NCAA DII All American

1 NCAA DIII Champion

5 NCAA DIII All Americans

1 NJCAA Champion

 

Overall ETR alumni have won 17 National Championships and earned 73 All American honors in college over the past 10 years.

 

118 ETR alumni are active on NCAA DI rosters for the 2016-17 season.

 

36 wrestlers that competed at Escape the Rock signed LOIs to wrestle at NCAA DI institutions in the class of 2016.

 

Read a complete history of Escape the Rock alumni wrestling in college here:

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