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Weakest "Fully Funded 9.9 Scholarships" Programs

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This seems like a good place to mention that Cal Baptist is planning to have all of their sports fully funded in Division-I.  

 

With wrestling being their only sport offered without a conference, let's hope that they don't see wrestling as a way to save money.

 

Per this thread, I will say that 'fully funded' is a difficult thing to compare apples to apples.  You can't compare two programs that are fully funded on that metric alone.

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Sadly, Kent now belongs in this category.  Hopefully, they'll quickly climb out of this hole.  Not sure if Cleve. State is fully funded but they're back to non competitive after a couple better years.  

 

Kent is certainly down this year, but have been strong in years past .I assume that they will bounce back.

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Sadly, Kent now belongs in this category.  Hopefully, they'll quickly climb out of this hole.  Not sure if Cleve. State is fully funded but they're back to non competitive after a couple better years.  

 

Cleveland State is no where near being fully funded.

 

I think it is important to note that there are actually two limiting criteria, based on the NCAA that could allow a program to be considered fully funded.  (1) Providing the maximum number of scholarships (without regard to where a student comes from) and (2) the maximum number of full-time staff for a wrestling program.

 

Some teams have the first criteria and some have the second criteria but the number that meet both criteria is a small percentage of all programs.

 

A coaching staff, some would argue, is more important than the scholarships because without the staff to recruit, develop, fundraise, and administer the program, you're not likely to be able to have any sustained success.

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To answer the question, we need at least a general sense of which teams might be fully funded.  I'd like to see some info on that.

 

It is actually tough to tell which programs are fully funded because that information can technically change year to year.

 

We do, however, know that none of the wrestling conferences have every member in the conference fully funded.

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It is actually tough to tell which programs are fully funded because that information can technically change year to year.

 

We do, however, know that none of the wrestling conferences have every member in the conference fully funded.

Wait, there are B10 schools that aren't fully funded?

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there's also a difference between full funded in state and fully funded out of state, correct?

 

for example, a school could be "fully funded" but only have $100,000 in scholarship funds which might only cover 9.9 in state schollies at $10,000/year. whereas other schools could be fully funded with $250,000 to use to cover 9.9 out of state recruits at $25,000/year.

 

and then there are the schools with huge endowments that can cover every need based recruit. so perhaps anyone who's parents make under $100,000/year pay zero tuition whether they are athletes or not, as long as they get in. 

 

numbers all for illustrative purposes only. 

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there's also a difference between full funded in state and fully funded out of state, correct?

 

for example, a school could be "fully funded" but only have $100,000 in scholarship funds which might only cover 9.9 in state schollies at $10,000/year. whereas other schools could be fully funded with $250,000 to use to cover 9.9 out of state recruits at $25,000/year.

 

and then there are the schools with huge endowments that can cover every need based recruit. so perhaps anyone who's parents make under $100,000/year pay zero tuition whether they are athletes or not, as long as they get in. 

 

numbers all for illustrative purposes only. 

 

Basically, a school is only fully-funded with scholarships if they will allow 9.9 countable scholarships to be awarded to international athletes (since they typically have the highest tuition rate, if a school has variable rates).

 

These schools will offer 9.9 without regard to where a student comes from.  Most schools, however, have a fixed scholarship budget in real dollars.  If they are limited to a dollar figure then they are not fully funded.  They may distribute the scholarships in a manner that makes it seem as if they are fully funded but they are not fully funded.

 

For instance, I know of one Athletic Director that said his program was fully funded.  But they actually had a dollar cap and when you broke it down, the dollar figure was the equivalent of 10 in-state scholarships, 5.5 out-of-state scholarships, or 4 international scholarships.  If they only recruited kids from in-state they would appear to be fully-funded but they were not fully funded.  The program had about 30% of their roster coming from out-of-state.  

 

There is one school that recently added a wrestling program that had a job posting in which one of the requirements of the head coach to be hired to lead the program was that they recruit 75% of his roster from with-in the state and 60% of his roster from within the specific region of the state where the school is located.  Things like this can be common and it is done to keep down costs.

 

Coaches sometimes have talented athletes that want to wrestle for them from out-of state (especially states without D1 programs) and fans always scratch their heads at why a school turned them away but the reality is that for a lot of programs, replacing a tough kid in your line-up that was in-state is very difficult because when they graduate there isn't much money freed up in the scholarship budget.

 

One program I know of (which is now gone) graduated a top-20 kid who was a multi-time national qualifier.  His graduation provided the coach with about $4k to go out and replace him.  Then people wonder why there was a drop-off at the program when things were looking up.

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Basically, a school is only fully-funded with scholarships if they will allow 9.9 countable scholarships to be awarded to international athletes (since they typically have the highest tuition rate, if a school has variable rates).

 

These schools will offer 9.9 without regard to where a student comes from. Most schools, however, have a fixed scholarship budget in real dollars. If they are limited to a dollar figure then they are not fully funded. They may distribute the scholarships in a manner that makes it seem as if they are fully funded but they are not fully funded.

 

For instance, I know of one Athletic Director that said his program was fully funded. But they actually had a dollar cap and when you broke it down, the dollar figure was the equivalent of 10 in-state scholarships, 5.5 out-of-state scholarships, or 4 international scholarships. If they only recruited kids from in-state they would appear to be fully-funded but they were not fully funded. The program had about 30% of their roster coming from out-of-state.

 

There is one school that recently added a wrestling program that had a job posting in which one of the requirements of the head coach to be hired to lead the program was that they recruit 75% of his roster from with-in the state and 60% of his roster from within the specific region of the state where the school is located. Things like this can be common and it is done to keep down costs.

 

Coaches sometimes have talented athletes that want to wrestle for them from out-of state (especially states without D1 programs) and fans always scratch their heads at why a school turned them away but the reality is that for a lot of programs, replacing a tough kid in your line-up that was in-state is very difficult because when they graduate there isn't much money freed up in the scholarship budget.

 

One program I know of (which is now gone) graduated a top-20 kid who was a multi-time national qualifier. His graduation provided the coach with about $4k to go out and replace him. Then people wonder why there was a drop-off at the program when things were looking up.

This is some good stuff, thanks for sharing

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