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This may have changed since 2002 but when it was in Albany the hosts were Rider and Siena. Siena didn't have wrestling but are DI.

I don't think the NCAA cares but the NWCA probably now does so something like that might not happen again.

I thought the hosts were Rider and the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference. Am I wrong?

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I thought the hosts were Rider and the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference. Am I wrong?

 

I was thinking the same thing but figured I must have misremembered.

 

Just looked it up.  Looks like Siena was involved.  Though, that is probably more due to the fact that the facility is their home venue for their men's basketball team.

 

http://www.gobroncs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20200&ATCLID=205175297

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The only facility in San Diego that might suffice is the Valley View Casino Center, which only houses about 16,000.

interesting, didn't know about that place. but looks like 16K is max for boxing or an MMA fight. in hockey configuration its down to 13K. may still be doable though. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_View_Casino_Center

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This is where I've 

 

Over the last 40 years, the NCAA tournament has been hosted west of Oklahoma exactly 1 time.  Now I'm not saying that it should be in the west every 10 years or even every 15 years ... but it doesn't seem like too much to ask to throw a bone to the west once every 20 years or so.  We like wrestling too and Phoenix/Tempe is pretty good this time of year.

 

As pointed out in this and other threads, the NCAA doesn't "throw a bone" to anyone who isn't actively bidding to get these events. Getting people behind a bid with the CVB's in those Western cities is the first step. They won't just plop this money-maker into the hands of cities that didn't ask for it. 

 

I'd love to see it in Phoenix (and when the NCAA relaxes the Vegas ban, perhaps there), or Portland or Seattle, or San Francisco ... Denver's floorspace for the mats is too tight (tighter than Des Moines, IIRC)

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Albany hosts the NYS HS Championships every year and I can totally see why NCAA's stunk there.  

Not a fan friendly area, city rules and restaurant wise.  Most businesses shut down by 8pm on Friday and Saturday PM.

 

Hopefully it won't end up there.

 

A lot of people suggesting nice places that really don't have a D1 wrestling school near them.  I think that the NCAA should pick a venue/place that deserves the business the tournament brings to the area wrestling wise in my opinion.

 

Sure Nashville would be nice but why throw them the event if they don't support a D1 wrestling program?

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Albany hosts the NYS HS Championships every year and I can totally see why NCAA's stunk there.  

Not a fan friendly area, city rules and restaurant wise.  Most businesses shut down by 8pm on Friday and Saturday PM.

 

Hopefully it won't end up there.

 

A lot of people suggesting nice places that really don't have a D1 wrestling school near them.  I think that the NCAA should pick a venue/place that deserves the business the tournament brings to the area wrestling wise in my opinion.

 

Sure Nashville would be nice but why throw them the event if they don't support a D1 wrestling program?

 

I understand the sentiment but no cities support college wrestling.  There are schools that support college wrestling.

 

However, there are communities that support wrestling.  If we want to support college wrestling then we need to be adding to the influence that college wrestling holds.  This means allowing more communities to not only benefit from college wrestling but taking communities that have shown an interest in college wrestling and showing them how great college wrestling can be.

 

I think fan engagement is a more pressing goal than rewarding a select school.  How many schools are going to actually get behind a bid?  Franklin & Marshall is never going to bid.  South Dakota State is never going to bid.  The Citadel is never going to bid.  There are so few facilities that are able to hold 20k fans, which is the minimum wrestling really needs. 

 

Taking it to a community where the event can be successful for the fans while also helping to introduce the local wrestling community to college wrestling is great.  

I'd much rather see the event create new college wrestling fans than stay in a few cities that have college wrestling.  I don't even believe St Louis has an NCAA wrestling program within the city.  SIUE is the nearest D1 program and they are in Illinois.  D2 Maryville is outside the city right?  And the city cut the wrestling program that actually had ties to the city when just a few years ago they dropped the wrestling program at St Louis Community College-Meremac.

 

I enjoy St Louis and have no problem with it being a host but would like the event to move around more.  Minneapolis, Buffalo, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, Seattle, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Nashville, Louisville, Chicago, Indianapolis, NYC, Boston, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and others are all fine by me.  Just make sure it gets to reach a few different regions of the country every five years.

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Pinum makes a lot of sense, per usual. 

 

If you move it to new regions, you get more first-time attendees and therefore more lifetime college wrestling fans. 

 

I'm fine with St. Louis and their setup downtown is great, they can keep getting every-third-year bids too.  Cities like here in Chicago would have a logistical issue hosting because the distance between the hotels and the arenas/nightlife.  A great part of St. Louis is that I can walk everywhere, the bars/restaurants are ready, it's just a great experience and you never need to be in a car.  Cities that can duplicate that experience and are bidding should definitely merit consideration. 

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The best use of Chicago would be for a reformatted National Duals (8 or 16 teams with some type of qualifying) at the All-State Arena next to O'Hare Airport, and within a long days drive of any school save mostly the Pac12. 

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This is where I've 

 

 

As pointed out in this and other threads, the NCAA doesn't "throw a bone" to anyone who isn't actively bidding to get these events. Getting people behind a bid with the CVB's in those Western cities is the first step. They won't just plop this money-maker into the hands of cities that didn't ask for it. 

 

I'd love to see it in Phoenix (and when the NCAA relaxes the Vegas ban, perhaps there), or Portland or Seattle, or San Francisco ... Denver's floorspace for the mats is too tight (tighter than Des Moines, IIRC)

 

Hey Jason,
 
I appreciate your comment and I understand exactly what you're saying and think you're right.  But just to be clear, the purpose of my post was to make a couple points somewhat tongue-in-cheek:
 
1.)  Oklahoma is smack in the middle of the lower 48 states, and in 40 years the tournament has been hosted only once to the west of it.  That single occasion was 37 years ago at Oregon State in 1980.  I'm not privy to NCAA site-selection details, but I find it hard to believe that in the last 37 years there have been zero cities west of Oklahoma to make a qualified bid.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems unlikely.
 
2.)  Since 1980, the NCAA tournament has been held in Oklahoma City 6 times, the state of Iowa 9 times, and St. Louis 7 times for a total of 22 tournaments.  I have no problem with that - these areas are centrally located and are wrestling hotbeds with great fanbases that deserve to host the tournament a majority of the time.  All I'm saying is, maybe just 1 out of every 22 years the NCAA selection committee could consider doing some outreach to a city in the western 1/2 of the United States to host the tournament.  I'm pretty sure a phone call from the selection committee like "Hey Zeke - do you think ASU and the city of Tempe would be interested in hosting a very lucrative and prestigious event like the NCAA championships sometime in the next 22 years?", is about all it would take.
 
 
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but a lot of World & Olympic hardware in the last few years has come from athletes hailing from the forgotten 50% of America (6 of the last 10 Freestyle Gold medalists).  Contrary to popular belief ... there is wrestling out here.
 
 
Anyway - sorry about that.  I just needed to get it off my chest :-)
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Zander - 

 

I don't recall any cities, schools, or facilities, west of Oklahoma ever discussing a bid for the NCAA championship let alone going through the process of submitting a formal bid.

 

Bids are extensive.  They are labor intensive and require many different stakeholders.  Among other things, they need approval and endorsement of the local elected officials.  The selection committee doesn't call anyone looking for bids.  It isn't something casual where a wrestling coach could simply submit a bid.  Many more cities, schools, and facilities look into submitting bids than actually submit bids.

 

Additionally, the NCAA pays for everything, including athletes travel expenses.  Taking it west of Oklahoma, makes it very expensive because there are only ten D1 wrestling programs (Northern Colorado, Wyoming, Air Force, Oregon State, Boise State, Utah Valley, Arizona State, CSU-Bakersfield, Cal Poly, and Stanford) west of Oklahoma.  

If the west coast wants to host (which would be great!) they need to submit a bid and have the costs for the facility, hotels, and everything else come in way under the other facilities because they are not going to be competitive when the NCAA forecasts travel reimbursements for the teams at the championships.

 

I get the feeling that the city of St Louis really likes having the event and is very aggressive with their bid.  It isn't just that they are a good location.

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Zander - 

 

I don't recall any cities, schools, or facilities, west of Oklahoma ever discussing a bid for the NCAA championship let alone going through the process of submitting a formal bid.

 

Bids are extensive.  They are labor intensive and require many different stakeholders.  Among other things, they need approval and endorsement of the local elected officials.  The selection committee doesn't call anyone looking for bids.  It isn't something casual where a wrestling coach could simply submit a bid.  Many more cities, schools, and facilities look into submitting bids than actually submit bids.

 

Additionally, the NCAA pays for everything, including athletes travel expenses.  Taking it west of Oklahoma, makes it very expensive because there are only ten D1 wrestling programs (Northern Colorado, Wyoming, Air Force, Oregon State, Boise State, Utah Valley, Arizona State, CSU-Bakersfield, Cal Poly, and Stanford) west of Oklahoma.  

If the west coast wants to host (which would be great!) they need to submit a bid and have the costs for the facility, hotels, and everything else come in way under the other facilities because they are not going to be competitive when the NCAA forecasts travel reimbursements for the teams at the championships.

 

I get the feeling that the city of St Louis really likes having the event and is very aggressive with their bid.  It isn't just that they are a good location.

 

 

Good post Pinnum - and you are of course right :-)  It's frustrating, but you're right.

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I'm pretty sure Portland has submitted a bid within the last 7-8 years, at least. While it would make an easy drive for me from the Seattle area, I'm not sure if the current championship dates would be a good time for the wrestling country to see our great area. 

I'm all for a Phoenix site, and I like the idea of St. Louis hosting every other year or so. 

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Oklahoma is smack in the middle of the lower 48 states...

 

 

The new Pinnacle arena in Lincoln, NE is actually in the middle of the country, but it only holds 15,500.  I don't see the NCAA moving from the St Louis 19,000+ arena.

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I understand the sentiment but no cities support college wrestling.  There are schools that support college wrestling.

 

However, there are communities that support wrestling.  If we want to support college wrestling then we need to be adding to the influence that college wrestling holds.  This means allowing more communities to not only benefit from college wrestling but taking communities that have shown an interest in college wrestling and showing them how great college wrestling can be.

 

I think fan engagement is a more pressing goal than rewarding a select school.  How many schools are going to actually get behind a bid?  Franklin & Marshall is never going to bid.  South Dakota State is never going to bid.  The Citadel is never going to bid.  There are so few facilities that are able to hold 20k fans, which is the minimum wrestling really needs. 

 

Taking it to a community where the event can be successful for the fans while also helping to introduce the local wrestling community to college wrestling is great.  

I'd much rather see the event create new college wrestling fans than stay in a few cities that have college wrestling.  I don't even believe St Louis has an NCAA wrestling program within the city.  SIUE is the nearest D1 program and they are in Illinois.  D2 Maryville is outside the city right?  And the city cut the wrestling program that actually had ties to the city when just a few years ago they dropped the wrestling program at St Louis Community College-Meremac.

 

I enjoy St Louis and have no problem with it being a host but would like the event to move around more.  Minneapolis, Buffalo, DC, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, Seattle, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, Nashville, Louisville, Chicago, Indianapolis, NYC, Boston, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and others are all fine by me.  Just make sure it gets to reach a few different regions of the country every five years.

Great Post.

I guess it is hard to disagree.  That is why I posted my thoughts.

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Phoenix would be fantastic, hope they have a suitable venue and submit a bid.  Fun city to visit in the non-summer months.  But NEVER go in the summer. 

Phoenix would be, but finding a hotel room during that time of year is brutal.

 

MLB Spring Training brings in a lot of people (and money) to PHX in March.

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I'm pretty sure Portland has submitted a bid within the last 7-8 years, at least. While it would make an easy drive for me from the Seattle area, I'm not sure if the current championship dates would be a good time for the wrestling country to see our great area. 

I'm all for a Phoenix site, and I like the idea of St. Louis hosting every other year or so. 

 

Do you have any sources for that?

 

I just looked and I haven't been able to find any articles on Portland bidding to host.  Also, do you know who was the sponsoring school or conference for the bid to host?

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I heard from a very reliable source (who probably shouldn't be named) that Portland had at least worked on a bid, but if you can't find any information on it then perhaps it was never formally submitted. Oregon State would be--or would have been--the host school. 

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Had a good conversation during the tournament with a very reliable source. He said that the reason for the delay in naming future sites was due to Las Vegas putting in a late bid, supposedly the highest bid the NCAA has ever gotten for the tournament. He told me that Tulsa put in one of the highest bids in previous years but is unsure if they will get it because of the limited hotel space in downtown Tulsa. He said with the success of NYC last year that it will be held there at least once every 5 years.

 

 

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Had a good conversation during the tournament with a very reliable source. He said that the reason for the delay in naming future sites was due to Las Vegas putting in a late bid, supposedly the highest bid the NCAA has ever gotten for the tournament. He told me that Tulsa put in one of the highest bids in previous years but is unsure if they will get it because of the limited hotel space in downtown Tulsa. He said with the success of NYC last year that it will be held there at least once every 5 years.

 

 

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http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/encouraging-signs-ncaa-will-roll-dice-on-championships-in-las-vegas/

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Had a good conversation during the tournament with a very reliable source. He said that the reason for the delay in naming future sites was due to Las Vegas putting in a late bid, supposedly the highest bid the NCAA has ever gotten for the tournament. He told me that Tulsa put in one of the highest bids in previous years but is unsure if they will get it because of the limited hotel space in downtown Tulsa. He said with the success of NYC last year that it will be held there at least once every 5 years.

 

 

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How many people attend the Vegas tourney ? 

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I highly doubt that the NCAA will pick Las Vegas for wrestling on this round.  If the NCAA decides to go to Las Vegas in 2019-2022, (not sure about Basketball) but hockey will get it before wrestling, due to the new NHL team starting new year. If everything goes well in Vegas with hockey this round, I would think they would pick Vegas for wrestling next time. 

My guess between all 4 dates, the east coast will get 1 either NYC or Phil, St Louis again, maybe a Nashville or OK City. (I'm from Detroit) so Detroit will get probably 2021 or 2022, its been about 15 years between hosting in the Detroit area, (yes Auburn Hills was awful). They have a new 20k seat stadium that will be done this year, they will still be in process of building a hotel, restaurants, offices, apartments and bars that will be connect to the arena, that construction probably run through 2019-2020. The arena area will be a lot like Columbus arena district.

The wrestlers will probably be able to stay at the hotel connected to the arena and the arena also has a practice ice rink in the complex. So my guess, the warm up area can be in the practice rink where they would be able to lay out at least 4 full mats, instead up warming up underneath the seats.

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