manyak 184 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Please start watching at 5 minutes, 20 seconds. I know how horrified people were and still are about Reza Yazdani (2011, 2013 World Champion) and his patented foot stomp to snatch single. Discussion about this move still rages almost 4 years after Yazdani's last world level medal. I was shocked and dismayed to see that American Hero and Boy Wonder, Kyle Snyder, of THE Ohio State University, is now using the same move to dig his way out of matches he should rightfully lose. How could this be? Snyder was pure wrestling distilled, now we know he is nothing more than a cheater and no better than a common thief. Please keep all PED discussion out of this thread. We all know that Kyle Snyder is probably on a PED regimen supplied by Tom Ryan and his church group, but this thread is about proven cheating and cheating that actually makes in-match differences. Edited January 30, 2017 by manyak 4 TheRealOne9050, wrestlingphish, Smedley and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 i don't think stepping on your opponent's foot is illegal. i believe it's only illegal to step on the foot with the intent to injure. 1 JHRoseWrestling reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billyhoyle 2,481 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 He also hit it twice in his quarterfinals match. Once at 5:50 and another at 6:30. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 824 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) i don't think stepping on your opponent's foot is illegal. i believe it's only illegal to step on the foot with the intent to injure. While it's difficult to specify based on the exact wording of FILA, based on the consistent no calls, I would have to agree 100%. Stepping on a foot of an opponent is OK, stumping on it to injure or hurt is not. Edited January 30, 2017 by irani 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrestlingnerd 3,004 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 If so, is Yaz now safely in the pantheon of legitimate champions? 3 wrestlingphish, irani and GranbyTroll reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headshuck 2,607 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 Every kid in America must be practicing this now. 1 akaoni reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quanon 161 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 i don't think stepping on your opponent's foot is illegal. i believe it's only illegal to step on the foot with the intent to injure. This is definitely the way it gets called.... 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Husker_Du 853 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/_LogieBear_/status/825586313864818688 Edited January 30, 2017 by Husker_Du Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 While it's difficult to specify based on the exact wording of FILA, based on the consistent no calls, I would have to agree 100%. Stepping on a foot of an opponent is OK, stumping on it to injure or hurt is not. CHAPTER 9 – PROHIBITIONS AND ILLEGAL HOLDS Article 49 – General Prohibitions Wrestlers are fobidden to: Kick, head-butt, strangle, push, apply holds that may endanger the opponent’s life or cause a fracture or dislocation of limbs, tread on the feet of the opponent or touch his face between the eyebrows and the line of the mouth. I officiated some time ago. This rule doesn't seem to have changed much since then- at least in so far as wording goes. Obviously what goes before this specific sounds like it would have to be pretty bad. But by the same token what comes after (touching the face) is pretty benign. What I recall being told about this in the clinics was that it was illegal and not just if seen as dangerous. I also had a discussion about this with Mark Lieberman who used this in folkstyle and he emphasized that it was legal in folkstyle (to trap the foot not to stomp on it). He was right. I would like to hear from a current international official on this because it could be simply that Kyle is using a legal folkstyle move without being totally aware of its ramifications. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tofurky 622 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 Every kid in America must be practicing this now. I wish! I've been trying to teach this single for about four years now and have not seen one kid put it into action, even in practice. Such an underrated set up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
de4856 371 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 Well hopefully someone can speak with Coach Zadick and get an explanation, it may turn out to be just one of those things. Secondly, I was a lil more concerned with how much Kyle is getting scouted. In the finals against the Russian, it looked like he ( the Russian ) was waiting for Kyle to commit on a particular move where Kyle was on his knees, and then he was able to counter for a takedown and get a gut for another two. This forced Kyle to rally quickly, and climb out of the hole he was in. Now I assume that In Kyle's mindset, he is just there at Yarygin looking for matches and is letting it pretty much all hang out and just going for it. However, the scouting shows me that Kyle has to continually improve and innovate, to stay a step ahead of the competition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 824 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) CHAPTER 9 – PROHIBITIONS AND ILLEGAL HOLDS Article 49 – General Prohibitions Wrestlers are fobidden to: Kick, head-butt, strangle, push, apply holds that may endanger the opponent’s life or cause a fracture or dislocation of limbs, tread on the feet of the opponent or touch his face between the eyebrows and the line of the mouth. I officiated some time ago. This rule doesn't seem to have changed much since then- at least in so far as wording goes. Obviously what goes before this specific sounds like it would have to be pretty bad. But by the same token what comes after (touching the face) is pretty benign. What I recall being told about this in the clinics was that it was illegal and not just if seen as dangerous. I also had a discussion about this with Mark Lieberman who used this in folkstyle and he emphasized that it was legal in folkstyle (to trap the foot not to stomp on it). He was right. I would like to hear from a current international official on this because it could be simply that Kyle is using a legal folkstyle move without being totally aware of its ramifications. Obliviously, you are far more qualified to comment than I am. I must say, I have never seen it called, and I have seen it not called many times. So if what you statement is correct, then FILA's referees are very inconsistent. After I typed it, I realized what an obvious statement I just made! Edited January 30, 2017 by irani 1 Billyhoyle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 347 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 Wow. Has Kyle ever used that move before? I have never seen him use this move. We killed Yazdani for it so we need to find out if it is truly legal or not? Surprised no one can say with certainty. It seems to work well for short heavyweights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rlw028 106 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 I wish! I've been trying to teach this single for about four years now and have not seen one kid put it into action, even in practice. Such an underrated set up! My club coach in HS called it the "stinky foot" single. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,539 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Anyone here ever try to actually step on an opponents foot? It's not as easy as Snyder makes it look. If your opponent is good he can usually get his foot out of the way. Edited January 30, 2017 by TBar1977 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 824 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 This is definitely the way it gets called.... If you happen to have one, can you please share a video of a match where it was actually called? I have seen many no calls, I have never seen a call and would like to see if there is an obvious difference, or it's just inconsistent refereeing. Thanks in advance 1 Billyhoyle reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 If you happen to have one, can you please share a video of a match where it was actually called? I have seen many no calls, I have never seen a call and would like to see if there is an obvious difference, or it's just inconsistent refereeing. Thanks in advance I believe he was agreeing that it's not called except when it's a stomp. 1 John Coctostan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irani 824 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 I believe he was agreeing that it's not called except when it's a stomp. Ah, thanks, and sorry for the misunderstanding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbert 563 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin. 3 Coach_J, Tofurky and headshuck reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manyak 184 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 If so, is Yaz now safely in the pantheon of legitimate champions? Well, Snyder is American and Yazdani is Iranian.. 1 irani reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrWonderful 5 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 My club coach in HS called it the "stinky foot" single. Sure it wasn't "sticky foot"? Was your club coach Mr. Brinzer? 1 Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach_J 2,181 Report post Posted January 30, 2017 Matt Demaray was a master of 2-on-1 to foot stomp to snatch single. This move is as old as Chuck Wepner stepping on Ali's foot and hitting him lightly in the chest to score a knock-down. 1 TheRealOne9050 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glory 23 Report post Posted January 31, 2017 Bill Belichick approves of this move. 1 de4856 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gutfirst 220 Report post Posted January 31, 2017 CHAPTER 9 – PROHIBITIONS AND ILLEGAL HOLDS Article 49 – General Prohibitions Wrestlers are fobidden to: Kick, head-butt, strangle, push, apply holds that may endanger the opponent’s life or cause a fracture or dislocation of limbs, tread on the feet of the opponent or touch his face between the eyebrows and the line of the mouth. Pretty sure that rule (and all others) was written in French and likely translated from another language before that. Hard to tell what the intent was by the time it got translated to English. We do know that most of the time there is no call for stepping on the foot. I actually have never seen it called. Based on that, I'm thinking it's ok. 1 John Coctostan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gimpeltf 2,075 Report post Posted January 31, 2017 Pretty sure that rule (and all others) was written in French and likely translated from another language before that. Hard to tell what the intent was by the time it got translated to English. We do know that most of the time there is no call for stepping on the foot. I actually have never seen it called. Based on that, I'm thinking it's ok. As Mark Lieberman also said- It ain't illegal unless it's called. I don't disagree with you. De Facto- legal but de jure- not 1 gutfirst reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
