MSU158 1,503 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Does this effect seedings? Or is it just a scratch and the bracket stays the same? Everything stays the same. That is why the Murphy announcement was important. They did it before the deadline! 1 OrangeEffect reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 3,760 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Awesome season for Suriano. Lost by 1 to Gilman, but beat everyone else he faced before being injured including most of the other contenders. He should open the next season Ranked #1. 2 Housebuye and PRyan2012 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasonmitchell32 241 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 I'm not a Penn State fan, but I think Cael and Suriano have every right to be selfish. College sports is a business. Neither am I but I agree. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 OrangeEffect reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LemonPie 1,368 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Hopefully Picc beats JRod and I don't have to worry about a dream consolation draw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,503 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Tough to fault Cael for not pulling the trigger sooner. If you have a potential AA wrestler who is injured and trying to get well before the tournament, of course you are going to give him and the medical staff the maximum amount of time possible to say he's good to go, and make a near-game time decision from there. Anyway who cares whether it was strategy or not. The real story is that Nick Suriano will not have the chance to wrestle at NCAAs after stringing together an awesome season as a true freshman. It's too bad, as I was really looking forward to a possible rematch with Gilman. Injuries suck. Anyone that is a fan of another 125 wrestler or a team other than PSU should care. If, and I say IF, they knew early it was pretty much the equivalent of reneging in cards. They may lose the points but it can still cost the other team(s). That doesn't even account for the alternate that would get a chance to call himself an NCAA Qualifier. Not sure who the alternate was, but that has to suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wnywrestling 62 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Pre-Championships Guide states that the field was locked on Sunday at 5pm eastern. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk See page 12 "Replacement Policy." I don't see anything about re-seeding, though. https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017DIMWR_PreChamps_Manual_20161006.pdf It seems like they should bump up all the seeds. Edited March 15, 2017 by wnywrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Amen man. They were hoping they could go with him in a brace. He was a threat in win it this year and with a brace they were thinking 5th or 6th thus giving them the title easily. Now it is up in the air between three teams. Good for us fans as a whole-bad for PSU fans. Any other team in this situation would have done the exact same thing! The kids on Suriano's side now get a lucky draw. That is life-they better take advantage of it. Edited March 15, 2017 by PRyan2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lu_alum 690 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Would have liked to see Cruz in the #3, rather than the #4. Especially since he's already beaten Dance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,220 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Why can't they reseed and redraw the bracket? No reason they can't as long as its in their procedures. Probably can't add any (and no reason to 32 is fine) to the bracket, but plenty of time to reseed & redraw from 3 on down just like in 157. 1 KingK0ng reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 1,503 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 See page 12 "Replacement Policy." I don't see anything about re-seeding, though. https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017DIMWR_PreChamps_Manual_20161006.pdf It seems like they should bump up all the seeds. That is what I meant by re-seeding. Sorry. Everyone below him bumps up a spot and 16 would technically be "re-seeded". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Neither am I but I agree. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 100% agree. The winners of this are the 125 guys in his quadrant of the bracket. PSU is going to have to have a champion besides Nolf and Zain. They can do this at 165, 174 or 184. Going to be an amazing close event between 3 or 4 teams! If Suriano places 2nd then PSU cruises to a title now they are going to need a 3rd champ and some high AA placers. Very doable but it OKst, OSU or PSU could win this thing or possibly even Iowa! As a fan first, then a PSU fan 2nd I love this! Edited March 15, 2017 by PRyan2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klehner 390 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Nobody got cheated. He earned a spot based on the current qualifying criteria. If PSU had known he definitely couldn't go, they would have pulled him before the replacement deadline. You don't pull a wrestler when you still believe he might be able to compete. I'm more concerned with making sure the 3rd seed has every chance to compete than I am for helping the 34th best guy get his chance to go 0-2. Yeah, that 34th guy was likely Noah Baughman, who beat Terao and Rodriguez, and pinned Piccinnini. I'm sure he doesn't feel cheated now. Cael had until last Sunday to pull Suriano so that the brackets could have been redrawn. The honorable thing would have been to pull him. I wonder what miracle they were expecting between Sunday and today. Really selfish on their part. 3 brianj, stravo and cjc007 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamela 1,334 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Anyone that is a fan of another 125 wrestler or a team other than PSU should care. If, and I say IF, they knew early it was pretty much the equivalent of reneging in cards. They may lose the points but it can still cost the other team(s). That doesn't even account for the alternate that would get a chance to call himself an NCAA Qualifier. Not sure who the alternate was, but that has to suck! I'm not sure what "reneging in cards" means but totally understand your point about gaming the bracket and how disappointed the alternate qualifer must feel. I guess I feel that Suriano sort of earned the right to make a last minute decision after the season he's had. It was his spot in the bracket to surrender, whenever. Amen man. They were hoping they could go with him in a brace. He was a threat in win it this year and with a brace they were thinking 5th or 6th thus giving them the title easily. Now it is up in the air between three teams. Good for us fans as a whole-bad for PSU fans. Any other team in this situation would have done the exact same thing! The kids on Suriano's side now get a lucky draw. That is life-they better take advantage of it. Jimmy Gulibon had better step up!!!! =) Edited March 15, 2017 by pamela Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 462 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Anyone that is a fan of another 125 wrestler or a team other than PSU should care. If, and I say IF, they knew early it was pretty much the equivalent of reneging in cards. They may lose the points but it can still cost the other team(s). That doesn't even account for the alternate that would get a chance to call himself an NCAA Qualifier. Not sure who the alternate was, but that has to suck! The Kyle Akins Family disagrees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ionel 1,220 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Tough to fault Cael for not pulling the trigger sooner. If you have a potential AA wrestler who is injured and trying to get well before the tournament, of course you are going to give him and the medical staff the maximum amount of time possible to say he's good to go, and make a near-game time decision from there. Anyway who cares whether it was strategy or not. The real story is that Nick Suriano will not have the chance to wrestle at NCAAs after stringing together an awesome season as a true freshman. It's too bad, as I was really looking forward to a possible rematch with Gilman. Injuries suck. If true then total garbage! It was pointed out before B10s that there was no reason for Suriano/PSU to take the #2 seed. They had no intention of wrestling him and his seed was going to have no impact/influence on the seed at NCAA (different criteria). All they did was hurt the chances of guys seeded below who should've moved up in the tournament. Moreover, this is exactly why you don't allow someone who doesn't participate in the qualifying tourney to retain full seed status at NCAA. In not participating you are conceding that you are "damaged goods" and thus those criteria which you previous achieved do not currently apply and you've just conceded that you are willing to finish last place thus all who participated and wrestled in the Q should be considered better at this point in time. Not at all tough to fault him, wrestling isn't about gaming the system, its about who is the best man at that point in time on the mat. :( 2 cjc007 and Coach_J reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Yeah, that 34th guy was likely Noah Baughman, who beat Terao and Rodriguez, and pinned Piccinnini. I'm sure he doesn't feel cheated now. Cael had until last Sunday to pull Suriano so that the brackets could have been redrawn. The honorable thing would have been to pull him. I wonder what miracle they were expecting between Sunday and today. Really selfish on their part. NO it simply is not. He thought he had a chance at wrestling plain and simple. As of last week the goal was to wrestle with a brace and place 5th-8th. This would assure PSU a title. Without him it is a horse race. Cael did what any other coach would have done. Rules were not broken neither was Cael's integrity. Suriano said he wanted to wrestle and said he could be ready two weeks ago. It didn't work out. There will be more wrestlers benefiting from this than the other way around. Edited March 15, 2017 by PRyan2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boconnell 1,417 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Honestly wonder if there was some strategy(like it or not) by so doing. Piccininni would have moved up a spot. 7 seed on the other side of Gilman makes a BIG difference! I am certain that's a part of it. And I am certain that was the right move by Cael. It's not Cael's job to get the right wrestlers in, to properly seed the bracket, or to re-seed even now. All of those things are failing to happen because of poor procedure from the NCAA. I can't fault Cael for taking advantage of the current rules to salvage a small win out of a big team loss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teach 163 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 So what is the team score at this point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okwrestle 19 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 they should definitely reseed and everyone below # 3 should move up a seed. Cruz goes from 4 to 3, lambert goes from 5 to 4 etc.... you can't just give the # 14 seed an easy path to the 1/4 finals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 So what is the team score at this point? Without Suriano's points PSU drops to third place. They need another champ besides Nolf and Zain to win it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRyan2012 343 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 So what is the team score at this point? Without Suriano's points PSU drops to third place. They need another champ besides Nolf and Zain to win it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unbiased 462 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Without Suriano's points PSU drops to third place. They need another champ besides Nolf and Zain to win it. False, both times you posted it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Show_Me 260 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 1. Buffalo - 3 pts Advancement + Fall 2 GranbyTroll and teach reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,071 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 Without Suriano's points PSU drops to third place. They need another champ besides Nolf and Zain to win it. PSU is still the favorite without Suriano, but their margin is far smaller. Nevills cannot lose to Casper, Cenzo can't lose to Lewis, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,071 Report post Posted March 15, 2017 1. Buffalo - 3 pts Advancement + Fall THEY ARE WINNING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
