More in explicable "I Choose Down" moment?

[VakAttack 3,965]

Interesting question that hasn't gotten enough pub.

Edited March 29, 2017 by VakAttack

[unbiased 516]

3. Lizak not choosing top. 1 vote.

[VakAttack 3,965]

3. Lizak not choosing top. 1 vote.

 

Good point!  I added the option.

[PSUMike 445]

Shafer going under the HW from Northwestern at the NCAAs this year was a bit of a head scratcher. 

[gimpeltf 2,040]

Or Lizak not taking top having 6 points in 2 nearfalls at the Scuffle.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

I voted for Molinaro but now that the option is available, I want to change my vote to Lizak. I'm still confused. 

 

Molinaro and Mayes, I can understand. They weren't winning no matter what, so they might as well give scoring any point of any kind the old college try.

 

But Lizak?????

Edited March 29, 2017 by wrestlingnerd

[Badger Fan 27]

Not directly related to the poll, but why did Thomas Gilman not choose down in a 0-0 match going into the 3rd period in his semi-final match against Darian Cruz when he had 2 minutes of riding time. Did not understand that strategy.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

Not directly related to the poll, but why did Thomas Gilman not choose down in a 0-0 match going into the 3rd period in his semi-final match against Darian Cruz when he had 2 minutes of riding time. Did not understand that strategy.

 

Maybe not the smartest decision either, but bottom is his worst position and he made a comment that the was surprised by Cruz's physical strength. He probably wanted to win the match from his (by far) best position while he was still fresh. Given he took down every single opponent this year, at least I can understand the choice.

[VakAttack 3,965]

Not directly related to the poll, but why did Thomas Gilman not choose down in a 0-0 match going into the 3rd period in his semi-final match against Darian Cruz when he had 2 minutes of riding time. Did not understand that strategy.

 

Because Cruz is really good on top, and Gilman had been struggling on bottom starting with the Lizak match.  I still would have gone down, but I presume that was the logic.

[LemonPie 1,368]

Because Cruz is really good on top, and Gilman had been struggling on bottom starting with the Lizak match.  I still would have gone down, but I presume that was the logic.

Cruz is solid, but not elite on top.   His brother is much better.  

[Gantry 1,872]

The guy who chose down in that match against Daniel Lewis where he was ridden for SIX MINUTES AND FIFTY ONE SECONDS.  I can't even remember if it was second or third, but it doesn't matter.  SIX MINUTES AND FIFTY ONE SECONDS

[unbiased 516]

6:51 of riding is super impressive but still only worth 1 point. Crazy how that works out.

[gimpeltf 2,040]

6:51 of riding is super impressive but still only worth 1 point. Crazy how that works out.

 

Zilverberg match? Only worth one point for the riding time, but he did get a 4 point nearfall. And the other guy got zero.

[gowrestle 689]

My moment was not seeing Martinez bridge or fight like his life depended on it.

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

My moment was not seeing Martinez bridge or fight like his life depended on it.

 

He can be broken. Nolf proved that last year. Little effort then too.

[TobusRex 2,107]

I got to go with Mayes picking down against Zain. Molinaro was a brute, and escaped nearly every time, so picking down for him against even Dake is somewhat explicable. Yeah, he was tortured, but he wasn't teched or anything.

 

Mayes WAS tortured, and hammered into submission. Such a bad choice, especially after taking Zain down from his feet in the first period.

[TobusRex 2,107]

My moment was not seeing Martinez bridge or fight like his life depended on it.

 

Same. Shocking to see a champ just give up like that. Maybe Martinez figured "okay, there's at least 5 more points for him, he's already winning the match...might as well get off the mat early!".

[unbiased 516]

Same. Shocking to see a champ just give up like that. Maybe Martinez figured "okay, there's at least 5 more points for him, he's already winning the match...might as well get off the mat early!".

 

Watch Perry's face in the background of the video and tell me he didn't know it was already over.

[headshuck 2,586]

I propose "The Downer" trophy be awarded annually.

[TBar1977 4,481]

Same. Shocking to see a champ just give up like that. Maybe Martinez figured "okay, there's at least 5 more points for him, he's already winning the match...might as well get off the mat early!".

 

 

Martinez has always been able to hip the thrower off of him in one clean motion as he uses his strong core muscles to "bounce" off the mat. That didn't happen this time. 

[wrestlingnerd 2,996]

Cenzo' hips are better than Imart's. I can't believe I'm saying this but it's true. Watch Cenzo's hips in action against Massa and Imart, two of the college guys with the best hips at any weight.

[MadMardigain 1,594]

In a couple of year I think we will revisit this topic when someone choosing down against Hughes of Mich St. which leads to them dropping a big match.

[newyorkwrestler 258]

Gregor Gillespie picking bottom against JB when he was arguably the best top wrestler ever against arguably the best neutral wrestler ever.

[Old_Marine_Wrestler 245]

Gregor Gillespie picking bottom against JB when he was arguably the best top wrestler ever against arguably the best neutral wrestler ever.

both were good (JB great), but not "arguably the best wrestler ever" in those positions.

[boconnell 1,623]

I got to go with Mayes picking down against Zain. Molinaro was a brute, and escaped nearly every time, so picking down for him against even Dake is somewhat explicable. Yeah, he was tortured, but he wasn't teched or anything.

 

Mayes WAS tortured, and hammered into submission. Such a bad choice, especially after taking Zain down from his feet in the first period.

I agree.  Mayes even scored the first TD on his feet.  Choosing down there was not just tactically bad, it was a total surrender.