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#121 Zebra

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:31 AM

There are 330,000,000 people in this country and a majority of a small minority is a minority and by definition, few. I assure most of them who approve are not doing for same reason as you. Most will be exactly like me and really not care one way of the other. I have no opposition to a change but I'n not going to pretend it's going to make a difference. Ten years form now somebody will look at the participation numbers and the variation year to year will be tracking similar to what it did the years prior. There will be no magical spike starting in the 2017-2018 season.   



#122 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:51 AM

The bottom line is this... Some people believe the excuse behind the singlet... some people dont...



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:43 AM

But it's more that just that individual level issue.

 

Some people have actually come to believe this is the reason (or primary one anyway) wrestling numbers are declining and will magically fix the issue. I am a realist and will not fall into that fantastical trap. Over time any impact will be less than the statistical error associated with any data set. 

 

Homophobia and fat shaming will continue on forever. 



#124 Jeff_Pape

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:42 AM

I have to agree with those that say this will not increase numbers. The numbers have been fairly consistent. Even USA wrestling announces record numbers in many years and participation increased by like 12 wrestlers that particular year (okay that is an extreme but it's pretty accurate in certain years). 

 

To me even the number of wrestlers in the USA is in question. I always wanted to figure out how many wrestlers actually stayed with wrestling the entire year. I can remember in high school, we started out with a ton of Freshman wrestlers every year and after even a few weeks the numbers dropped significantly. Are the high school numbers just anyone that ever stepped into a wrestling room that particular high school season? And how many of those Freshman wrestlers finish the year out. 

 

If we were interested in growing wrestling, figure out how to run a tournament so the fans and parents and wrestlers don't need to be there for 8 to 10 hours. That will help grow the sport more than changing uniforms. Although, hopefully I am wrong and there is a huge increase in wrestlers next year.


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:28 AM

It's a combination of things. First off it's the one piece factor. Second it's the tightness factor. 3rd is the wearing a tight 1 piece, while rolling around with another man factor.



The sport of wrestling unfortunately evokes a negative reaction to many in the general public. Therefore every aspect that is considered "suspect" will be nitpicked at. The singlet actually is very functional, but is identical to what some sprinters wear. Sprinters in track wear unitards all the time, but dont get ridiculed for it. Swimmers wear Speedos but don't get ridiculed nearly as much as wrestlers for 2 reasons. People acknolege the fact that when swimming it's best to be streamlined. And 2, since youre in the water, theres not much to be seen.


OK I'll give you the singlets in track, but track athletes would sometimes get ridiculed for wearing "short shorts."

I think speedos do get ridiculed fairly often though. And from what I've seen more swimmers are wearing longer shorts now, so I'd bet not wanting to wear a speedo might have something to do with that.

But it's more that just that individual level issue.

Some people have actually come to believe this is the reason (or primary one anyway) wrestling numbers are declining and will magically fix the issue. I am a realist and will not fall into that fantastical trap. Over time any impact will be less than the statistical error associated with any data set.

Homophobia and fat shaming will continue on forever.


I think few if any people in this thread said it was the primary reason. But it could help reduce the decline - key words being reduce the decline, not suddenly cause an increase. To act as definitively as you are about it is silly because no one really knows what will happen.

I said earlier if this rule leads to 1 extra kid for every 3 schools, it would cut last year's decline in half. And even if it's 1 kid out of every 20 schools I think that would still be statistically significant.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:20 PM

I said that swimmers don't get ridiculed AS MUCH as wrestlers. Hence they get ridiculed none the less. Track athletes get ridiculed for short shorts as do soccer players. Baseball players get ridiculed for their tight pants. If you're a senior and are on the football team but dont start you get ridiculed. I've coached at 5 different high schools over the past 25 years. The only athletes I haven't found to get ridiculed for their sport would be the starting football players and basketball players

High school kids are just plain mean.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:43 PM

OK I'll give you the singlets in track, but track athletes would sometimes get ridiculed for wearing "short shorts."

I think speedos do get ridiculed fairly often though. And from what I've seen more swimmers are wearing longer shorts now, so I'd bet not wanting to wear a speedo might have something to do with that.


I think few if any people in this thread said it was the primary reason. But it could help reduce the decline - key words being reduce the decline, not suddenly cause an increase. To act as definitively as you are about it is silly because no one really knows what will happen.

I said earlier if this rule leads to 1 extra kid for every 3 schools, it would cut last year's decline in half. And even if it's 1 kid out of every 20 schools I think that would still be statistically significant.

 

It's not specifically this thread per se but the 20 other threads in which people vociferously made that argument. And it won't even be 1 kid in 20 schools, more like 1 in over a thousand. Singlets are not now nor have ever been the reason kids did not start or quit wrestling, The statistical difference will be within the margin of error and untraceable.



#128 BigTenFanboy

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:05 PM

I see the two piece uniform solving 2 things.

1 it give haters 1 less excuse to why they won't wrestle,
2 it give one less thing for people to think is the reason more kids don't wrestle.
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