21guns 95 Report post Posted May 15, 2017 Early word is that Seniors weight classes will go to 55 and 60, which will happen at the meeting before Paris and world's this summer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 1,152 Report post Posted May 15, 2017 What????????????????????? Zahid has beaten both Nickal and Martin, and he is about 10x more consistent than MyMar is so he is actually a lot more likely to even get the chance to face Nickal in a final than is Martin who could easily lose in the qtrs or semis. Martin lost a bunch of times last year by 3 and 4 pts., and he even had losses by 5 and 7 points. Zahid lost once, by 1 point. I agree wholeheartedly that Zahid is a bigger threat at 184 than Martin. The head to head results prove it beyond a shadow of doubt. Zahid has dismantled Martin more ways from Sunday, and yes, I'm a Buckeye fan. I think having Zahid at 184 is the best choice for him long-term freestyle-wise, as it sets up a more natural slide-in at 86kg (or whatever weight class is near there in the future). He can continue to bulk up, and battle Cox and DT for the future of that weight class. Hopefully, the Ryan/Snyder agreement is shedding some light on how our "Super Elite" can do both, and use the NCAA's as their training ground for the bigger international events and post-graduation careers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 2, 2017 "OHIO STATE LINEUP"!!!! as posted by the starter of the thread "Hawk" Fanatic, LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 1 treep2000 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyjen6 1 Report post Posted June 14, 2017 125-NATO133-Pletcher141-Hayes149-Mckenna157-M Jordon165-Te'Shan Campbell174-BoJo184-MyMar197-Moore285-Snyder Will give Penn state a run for there money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 14, 2017 125-NATO 133-Pletcher 141-Hayes 149-Mckenna 157-M Jordon 165-Te'Shan Campbell 174-BoJo 184-MyMar 197-Moore 285-Snyder Will give Penn state a run for there money Wrong. Nato is 133 and McKenna isn't at Ohio State. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 14, 2017 Wrong. Nato is 133 and McKenna isn't at Ohio State. But Micah is more than welcome to lose 25-10 at 157, instead of 15-0 at 149. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillieBoy 713 Report post Posted June 14, 2017 They might not even place higher than Oklahoma State this year. All the expectations and excitement in Ohio might get rained out by OSU as well as Penn State. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry 1,429 Report post Posted June 14, 2017 I think Micah matches up much better with nolf than Rutherford (who immediately starts abusing him the moment he gets on top). Still predict a nolf victory regardless but ibdont think its any worse than a major Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,037 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 All 3 look like the will have monster teams. It's just that PSU will have 3 Thor hammers in Retherford, Nolf and Nickal. They are damn near guaranteed 75 or more from them. Then add in Hall, Joseph and Suriano and you are looking at a bare minimum of 50 more. That still leaves another 10 from Nevills and 5+ from McCutcheon and 133-141. Any way you look at it, PSU is a 140+ Team if. Healthy. tOSU and OkState look great, but they simply don't have the tournament scoring power to compete with PSU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treep2000 1,152 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 My assumptions on the lineup and projected placement at NCAA's. Note, I don't think the weights are going to be all year consistent, but come tourney time, this is what we'll see: 125: NaTo - 1st 133: Pletcher - 5th 141: Hayes - 7th 149: MiJo - 3rd 157: Racer - DNP 165: Campbell - DNP 174: BoJo - 2nd (again...) 184: MyMar - 3rd 197: Moore - 1st HWT: Snyder - 1st So... three "Thor's Hammers", and then a decent showing from the next tier (funny, how "next tier" is now 2nd and 3rd placers). The two DNP's are gonna sting, but... it is what it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 My assumptions on the lineup and projected placement at NCAA's. Note, I don't think the weights are going to be all year consistent, but come tourney time, this is what we'll see: 125: NaTo - 1st 133: Pletcher - 5th 141: Hayes - 7th 149: MiJo - 3rd 157: Racer - DNP 165: Campbell - DNP 174: BoJo - 2nd (again...) 184: MyMar - 3rd 197: Moore - 1st HWT: Snyder - 1st So... three "Thor's Hammers", and then a decent showing from the next tier (funny, how "next tier" is now 2nd and 3rd placers). The two DNP's are gonna sting, but... it is what it is. Wow. Handing the championship to Moore yet again? Amazing. We'll see. Also, Pletcher 5th? Did he look like a 5th placer last week>? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingsland Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Wow. Handing the championship to Moore yet again? Amazing. We'll see. Also, Pletcher 5th? Did he look like a 5th placer last week>?Who do you take over Moore? I would assume he is the favorite and not a particularly controversial pick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TobusRex 2,108 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 My assumptions on the lineup and projected placement at NCAA's. Note, I don't think the weights are going to be all year consistent, but come tourney time, this is what we'll see: 125: NaTo - 1st 133: Pletcher - 5th 141: Hayes - 7th 149: MiJo - 3rd 157: Racer - DNP 165: Campbell - DNP 174: BoJo - 2nd (again...) 184: MyMar - 3rd 197: Moore - 1st HWT: Snyder - 1st So... three "Thor's Hammers", and then a decent showing from the next tier (funny, how "next tier" is now 2nd and 3rd placers). The two DNP's are gonna sting, but... it is what it is. Agreed on Snyder and NaTo being favorites. Not so sure about Moore, but he'll probably be the favorite at 197. I think you have serious wishful thinking on Pletcher finishing 5th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,037 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) My assumptions on the lineup and projected placement at NCAA's. Note, I don't think the weights are going to be all year consistent, but come tourney time, this is what we'll see: 125: NaTo - 1st 133: Pletcher - 5th 141: Hayes - 7th 149: MiJo - 3rd 157: Racer - DNP 165: Campbell - DNP 174: BoJo - 2nd (again...) 184: MyMar - 3rd 197: Moore - 1st HWT: Snyder - 1st So... three "Thor's Hammers", and then a decent showing from the next tier (funny, how "next tier" is now 2nd and 3rd placers). The two DNP's are gonna sting, but... it is what it is. As good as that is it still barely catches PSU at their median. 125: 24 133: 10.5 141: 7.5 149: 16 157: 1 165: 1.5 174: 18 184: 17 197: 24 285: 26 That is 145.5 with a very optimistic outcome. As good as that is, it is hard to see PSU scoring less than that if healthy. Edited June 15, 2017 by MSU158 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Housebuye 2,449 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 As good as that is it still barely catches PSU at their median. 125: 24 133: 10.5 141: 7.5 149: 16 157: 1 165: 1.5 174: 18 184: 17 197: 24 285: 26 That is 145.5 with a very optimistic outcome. As good as that is, it is hard to see PSU scoring less than that if healthy. True If it's McKenna instead of Hayes, that rises a little bit Also, keep in mind that if any of the returning PSU champ or suriano are injured, or anybody slips up, their point total is dramatically impacted To PSUs credit, everything besides Suriano's injury went as well as possible at NCAAs. They deserve credit for that, but the likelihood of that happening again seems slim. Hall has to beat Zahid and Bojo again. Both are in his league. Bo has to beats Myles, which is likely but not a lock Vincenzo has to against beat a killers row. iMar is looking for vengeance, Massa is continuing for to improve, and the rest of the Wright is solid. Not an easy road. If PSU performs to the best of their ability and avoids injuries, they can't be caught, but that seems unlikely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBar1977 4,600 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 PSU had two wrestlers out with injury and a 3rd weight scored very few points and they still won by a mile. Hard to believe anything changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meluvwrestling 26 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 True If it's McKenna instead of Hayes, that rises a little bit Is this based on McKenna's results last year? 141 has more parity than a lot of weights and to assume that McKenna will score more points than Hayes seems extremely short sided. Common opponents don't tell a full story but if you review the 2, seems like wash. I hope if McKenna does attend tOSU that Coach Ryan finds a way to get both wrestlers in the lineup otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Is this based on McKenna's results last year? 141 has more parity than a lot of weights and to assume that McKenna will score more points than Hayes seems extremely short sided. Common opponents don't tell a full story but if you review the 2, seems like wash. I hope if McKenna does attend tOSU that Coach Ryan finds a way to get both wrestlers in the lineup otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me. "Short sided"? Which of Hayes' performances during his redshirt year has led you to believe he is a certain shot for high AA? He lost to Kolodzik, who finished 7th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meluvwrestling 26 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) "Short sided"? Which of Hayes' performances during his redshirt year has led you to believe he is a certain shot for high AA? He lost to Kolodzik, who finished 7th. He also beat Kolodzik so I would think his chances are just as good as the rest of the field. Also, if you read my comment in full, 141 has parity. No one called McKenna not placing but that's exactly what happened. I'm not calling high placement for Hayes but I can see him making the podium. I'm a big Kolodzik fan and thought he would place higher than 7th. Edited June 15, 2017 by meluvwrestling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 He also beat Kolodzik so I would think his chances are just as good as the rest of the field. Also, if you read my comment in full, 141 has parity. No one called McKenna not placing but that's exactly what happened. I'm not calling high placement for Hayes but I can see him making the podium. I'm a big Kolodzik fan and thought he would place higher than 7th. As good as the rest of the field eh? Heil vs Hayes, who you got? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Meredith vs Hayes, who you got? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meluvwrestling 26 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 Heil vs Hayes, who you got? Meredith vs Hayes, who you got? I'm not going to go through a bunch of picks, pointless. My money will always be on Heil over the field. Until someone beats him, he owns 141#. 1 21guns reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 15, 2017 I'm not going to go through a bunch of picks, pointless. My money will always be on Heil over the field. Until someone beats him, he owns 141#. Agreed. I am a Mean Dean fan, and personally I love the way he wrestles: Different styles for different wrestlers, and Mean Dean is about winning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MSU158 2,037 Report post Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Agreed. I am a Mean Dean fan, and personally I love the way he wrestles: Different styles for different wrestlers, and Mean Dean is about winning. For somebody who BLASTS anyone that talks about a team other than theirs, you sure have a TON of posts on an Ohio State Lineup thread............ Edited June 16, 2017 by MSU158 1 brando413 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
21guns 95 Report post Posted June 16, 2017 For somebody who BLASTS anyone that talks about a team other than theirs, you sure have a TON of posts on an Ohio State Lineup thread............ Dont see you disagreeing with any of my points though, lmao. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
